Who of the “trinity” became flesh?

@divegeester said
Correct, but you try getting sonship to admit that refusing to accept and believe in his trinity doctrine will not in ANY way preclude a person from salvation.

@rajk999 said
This the sign that a mans doctrine is Satanic.

@divegeester said
I can’t go along with that.
He’s just misguided and very over-enthusiastic with it.

@rajk999 said
even openly condemning the teachings of Christ.

@divegeester said
I haven’t read him doing this.

@rajk999 said
Referring to the keeping of the teachings of Christ as
- Legalistic - is a condemnation
- Pharisaical - is also a condemnation
- Works salvation - is another one

Starting a thread on the curse of the Law and referring to all law keeping {including the laws of Christ] as a curse, is another condemnation of the teachings of Christ.

@divegeester said
I disagree.

@rajk999 said
Jesus will agree. If a professed believer in Christ goes around and does what is essentially discouraging people from keeping the commandments he will not be pleased. Of that I am certain.

According to the trinity doctrine God is made up of three distinct persons, each with shared but also different attributes. This is despite the Bible insisting all the way through that God is one.

Person 1 the father
- the father is also a spirit and co equal with the other 2 persons. No one really understands what co equal means as there is only one king and one throne.

Person 2 the son
- according to the trinity doctrine, the son is “eternal” and co-equal with the Father who is a spirit...and the holy spirt who is also a spirit. Jesus Christ also has an active spirit called “the spirit of Christ”. This third spirt was active in the Old Testament according to scripture

Person three the Holy Spirit
- the Holy Spirit only appear in the Bible from Acts onwards and is sent by Jesus or the spirit of Christ. Despite being co-equal the holy spirit “does not speak of himself” but only bears witness to the authority of the spirit of Jesus Christ. The father spirit is not active again until revelation, as all references are to “the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is referred to by Jesus himself as being the “councillor”.

Confused yet?

In revelation scripture tells us that the son, who is co-equal to the father remember, will hand over the KINGDOM to the father. Therefore the Father will be King of the Kingdom and the son will be...well a Prince, one supposes.

And yet iIsaiah say that the the kingdom of the son will never end. So that’s odd isn’t it.

Isaiah also says that the child who is born (that is Jesus) shall be called (among other things) “Everlasting Father” and “wonderful councillor”

So here’s the thing.

How can the trinity notion be correct when clearly all three persons in this version of God are NOT co-equal, the son’s reign over the kingdom ends when he hands it over to the the father, and Jesus himself will be called ... “EVERLASTING FATHER” and “WONDERFUL COUNCILLOR”

There is one possible explanation for Christians to accept which is that rather than there being THREE PERSONS in this strange god of contradiction, there is ONE PERSON being revealed in many ways over the millennia.

Wether one is atheist or not, the theological principle I’m putting forward is so obvious that surely even a child could understand it.

According to the trinity doctrine God is made up of three distinct persons, each with shared but also different attributes. This is despite the Bible insisting all the way through that God is one.

There is no need to show this in any more elaborate examples but in John 1:1.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You hardly have to go much further to know something profound and challenging the limits of human speaking is about to be unveiled. The Word was with God and the Word was God? That is an unusual way to speak.

Some tortured attempts have been made to hammer this into something human language can more easily express. Theories like the God whom the Word was with is not the same God as the Word was. Then you have two Gods. That does no favors for monotheism.

Theories like the Word was a god but was with THE God are simply polytheism.
Trying to uphold "God is one" you make two gods self defeating monotheism. You just made a god with God and God. I think the Apostle John knew quite well that what he wrote was too difficult to express in any other words.

That is all for this post. Of course enough has not been said in one post on this by me or anyone else. I leave with this.

"In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." (v.4)

This mysterious One the triune God is reaching out from eternity to dispense Himself into man to be his life. That is that the saved could live in God and have God live in them.

Confused yet?

@divegeester said
So can I get you to be clear please, you are saying that all 3 distinct persons of Father, Son and Holy Spirit dwelt within the Son, Jesus?

@sonship saidSome tortured attempts have been made to hammer this into something human language can more easily express.

@sonship said

Three distinct persons but not three separate ones.