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Originally posted by @rajk999Three passages tell Christians what may exclude them from the kingdom of God. I have written on these passages many times.
They will have no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
Said Paul
A half a dozen times
1.) First Corinthians 6:9-11;
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
2.) Galatians 5:19-21
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
3.) Ephesians 5:5-8
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
"If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward.
If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14-15)
Originally posted by @sonshipYou certainly have written a lot of garbage pertaining to these passages. But your goat interpretation does not interest the sheep of Christ. Paul was clear in these passages:
Three passages tell Christians what may exclude them from the kingdom of God. I have written on these passages many times.
[b]1.) First Corinthians 6:9-11;
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
2.) Galatians 5:19-21
Where in the passage ...[text shortened]... ffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14-15) [/b] [/quote][/b]
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: (1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV)
Dont be deceived by false preachers [like you] Paul warns
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Galatians 5:19-21 KJV)
You are an insane man to think that means eternal life
[i]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; (1 Corinthians 3:17 KJV)
So for you, these things
- No inheritance
- Destroyed
- Burned
- Cast out
Means eternal life.
I really pity the fools that listen to you.
Originally posted by @rajk999Thnx Mr.T
You certainly have written a lot of garbage pertaining to these passages. But your goat interpretation does not interest the sheep of Christ. Paul was clear in these passages:
Know ye not that [b]the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: (1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV)
Dont be deceived by false preachers [like you] Pau ...[text shortened]... troyed
- Burned
- Cast out
Means eternal life.
I really pity the fools that listen to you.[/b]
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Originally posted by @rajk999Huge Strawman argument, as if I said anything to deny the three passages say such will not inherit the kingdom of God.
This is what I asked which you won't answer:
Three passages tell Christians what may exclude them from the kingdom of God. I have written on these passages many times.
1.) First Corinthians 6:9-11;
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
2.) Galatians 5:19-21
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
3.) Ephesians 5:5-8
Where in the passage does it say they lose eternal life?
During the millennial kingdom the unprepared are excluded and disciplined.
Of course the one rejecting Christ will not inherit the kingdom of God OR eternal life. He won't be saved.
Originally posted by @sonshipI answered that already ... YES
Rajk999,
See if you can bring yourself to answer this question:
[b] Will some Christians lose a reward, yet themselves be saved yet so as through fire?
Yes?
Or No?[/b]
Did you read where Paul indentified THREE GROUPS?
THREE Groups of people according to Paul in 1 Cor 3. NOT TWO SONSHIP
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
3. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:13-17 KJV)
1. Those who do good work- reward and saved
2. Those who do nothing - still saved but there is some kind of loss
3. Those how do evil and are destroyed
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Originally posted by @rajk999
I answered that already ... YES
Good enough.
We can close the case right here.
The divine life that they received is "eternal".
Did you read where Paul indentified THREE GROUPS?
I didn't say how many groups were involved. I merely said that there were THREE definite places (at least) where Paul indicates certain things will cause the Christian not to inherit the coming kingdom of God.
THREE Groups of people according to Paul in 1 Cor 3. NOT TWO SONSHIP
I see what you mean now.
Those passages are written primarily to his audience of Christians - those in Corinth in the church there, those in Ephesus in the church there, and those in the churches of Galatia.
Check EACH letter as to who are the proper recipients and audience of the letters. You can check this always in the first couple of verses of each epistle.
Of course the unbelievers who reject the Gospel will not inherit the kingdom of God or receive the gift of eternal life.
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
The passage of First Corinthians refers to the workers as the apostles to the churches and all the saints IN the churches. They are all Christians.
1. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
He is talking about only those who BUILD upon the one unique foundation of Jesus Christ (v.11). He is addressing the Church not the world in general.
"For another foundation no one is able to lay besides that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (v.11)
The one rejecting Jesus Christ is NOT building ANYTHING on the foundation of Jesus Christ.
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Reward or loss of reward in First Corinthians chapter three pertains only to those for whom the question of being saved from eternal punishment has been solved in the affirmative:
" ... but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (v.15b)
This teaching is dealing with REWARD or the LOSE of REWARD not the obtaining of eternal life.
No unbeliever is qualified to stand at the judgment seat of Christ. That is only for Christians or for those for whom the question of eternal redemption has already been solved in the AFFIRMATIVE.
The unbeliever who rejects Christ as the Lord and Savior is not part of "God's farm, God's building".
"For we are God's fellow worker; you are God's cultivated land, God's building." (v.9)
I still know the New Testament better than you.
The day I begin to really learn something from you, I'll rejoice.
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2. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
That is because he has "eternal life".
3. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:13-17 KJV)
Context there is not outward persecution of the church. Ie. Paul as Saul was indeed trying to destroy the church. But then he got saved.
The context is marring, defiling, ruining the church from within by building with inferior "materials" of the old fallen Adamic nature.
He was saved but immature, fleshy, fleshly, puffed up with philsophy, puffed up with legalism ... THAT's the context.
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1. Those who do good work- reward and saved
The works blessed are the works coming out of the GROWTH of Christ within them. The church must be a place for GROWING Jesus Christ within people.
"I planted, Apollos watered, but God caused the growth." (v.6)
The unbeliever has rejected that which the evangelist has tried to "plant" in his heart. And that rejector has no "growth" of God within whatsoever.
And she or he is definitely not living to build upon the foundation of Christ.
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2. Those who do nothing - still saved but there is some kind of loss
Now you are saying something more like what I said.
But here it is not doing nothing. It is not doing what was worthwhile to God's growing temple and bulding, which is of life.
Grass is found in great abundance. So is stubble. So is wood.
A lot of STUFF may have been done. But it cannot pass the test of the fiery examination before the judgment seat of Christ. That occurs AFTER the second coming and BEFORE the millennial kingdom.
This judgment is not that of Matthew 25:31-46 AND it is not of Revelation 20.
Part of your misunderstanding is that you only see one judgment. You don't take seriously that judgment BEGINS with the house of God.
God STARTS with those who should know better.
"For it is time for the judgment to begin from the house of God; and if first from us, what will be the end of those who disobey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 1:17)
The fire of test in First Corinthians 3 pertains to Christ examining those who are SAVED.
I aint reading all that mumbo jumbo.
There are 3 groups identified by Paul, ALL OF WHO ARE SAVED BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN SAINTS:
1. Saved and rewarded
2. Saved and suffers loss
3. Saved and destroyed.
Its simple and straightforward.
I matches exactly what Jesus preached
Saved does not necessarily mean eternal life
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Originally posted by @rajk999You think number 3 makes sense? Saved and destroyed?
I aint reading all that mumbo jumbo.
There are 3 groups identified by Paul, ALL OF WHO ARE SAVED BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN SAINTS:
1. Saved and rewarded
2. Saved and suffers loss
3. Saved and destroyed.
Its simple and straightforward.
I matches exactly what Jesus preached
Saved does not necessarily mean eternal life