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@sonship said
Then it is pure special pleading that the supernatural just doesn't happen. Consequently its pointless to entertain for a moment the New Testament could be conveying the truth.

The supernatural MAY happen. I used to believe in it [in Christian terms] but I lost my belief in the veracity of the NT and my loss of belief in the supernatural too.

@sonship said
This is a very convenient answer.
On one hand you posture like it is SO terribly obvious that the man Jesus could not have been raised by God from the dead, but no onus is upon you to argue why.

Now, I ask the reasonable. If it is so obvious Christ's resurrection could NOT happen what is your proof that obviously this impossible thing could not happen.

And your respo ...[text shortened]... O burden is on those who lack belief in the resurrection which is the only normal default position.

Why would I need to try and prove to the world that a supernatural event is impossible to occur?

@sonship said
Why isn't such an attitude the direct opposite of superstition that miracles occur everyday all the time supernaturally? Why is this not just the opposite extreme to rampant superstition?

You can frame it any way you want. It's OK by me.

@sonship said
And your response. Well, its speculative conjecture way too subjective and you could not even imagine WHY you would EVER want to make such an assertion.

Everything you and I claim about supernatural things is subjective.

@FMF

The supernatural MAY happen.

A better and safer assertion.

I used to believe in it [in Christian terms] but I lost my belief in the veracity of the NT and my loss of belief in the supernatural too.

That is a statement as to your psychological situation.
I take it that you admit the supernatural MAY have occurred sometime.

There are plenty reasons why someone might decide a particular one he no longer wants to believe. I went through a few years of unbelief after believing. So this doesn't close the case for me.

In my case, (not arguing for you) My faith leaked out because my conscience got soiled from sins unconfessed which made the presence of my heavenly Father evaporate over time. I think it started with an event of stealing something from a friend after a period of battling the temptation to do so.

A soiled conscience of unconfessed sins, in my case, definitely over a period of time caused faith to leak away until like amnesia I remembered practically NOTHING about walking with God a before.

In fact looking for God became to me like a mouse looking for a cat. Not interested. But this few year long lapse did come to an end. And I think I know who God told to pray for me.

@sonship said
I see it as a continuation of pop atheism's posture - ALL burden is on believers in Christ and NO burden is on those who lack belief in the resurrection which is the only normal default position.

My lack of belief does not create any burden or obligation for you.

@sonship said
That is a statement as to your psychological situation. I take that you admit the supernatural MAY have occurred sometime.

I don't hold any belief that it did. Even if I were to claim that it didn't, it would still be a subjective opinion.

@sonship said
In my case, (not arguing for you) My faith leaked out because my conscience got soiled from sins unconfessed which made the presence of my heavenly Father evaporate over time. I think it started with an event of stealing something from a friend after a period of battling the temptation to do so.

Sounds like you turned into a bit of an arssh0le. If it was religion that straightened you out, good for you. I didn't feel "soiled" at any point.

@fmf said
My lack of belief does not create any burden or obligation for you.

Whether it does or doesn't I have no objection to offering evidence that it is believable that Jesus, according to His own predictions, was raised from the dead.

Whether you feel I have that obligation or don't care, I accept that I should explain to some people why such a hope is within us who trust in New Testament's record.

Apathy as a response to some of these matters doesn't impress me.

@sonship said
Apathy as a response to some of these matters doesn't impress me.

I am one of a very, very small number of people who can be bothered to talk to you. I have been indulging you for years and years. I have probably written 50,000 posts engaging you and responding to things you say. And now my problem is "apathy"? Ha! Your hubris is beyond parody.

@FMF

Sounds like you turned into a bit of an arssh0le.

Ah, right on time. I was wondering when you would go for the ad hom.
And I SAID I was arguing for ME and NOT for you.

@sonship said
@FMF

Sounds like you turned into a bit of an arssh0le.

Ah, right on time. I was wondering when you would go for the ad hom.
And I SAID I was arguing for ME and NOT for you.

You descibed yourself as such. I lost my faith without being "soiled", with my conscience intact, with my moral compass functioning. Who cares if you turned into some kind of deadbeat?

@sonship said
Ah, right on time. I was wondering when you would go for the ad hom.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not describing your beliefs as excrement. I'm not doing anything like that.

@FMF

I am one of a very, very small number of people who can be bothered to talk to you. I have been indulging you for years and years. I have probably written 50,000 posts engaging you and responding to things you say. And now my problem is "apathy"? Ha! Your hubris is beyond parody.

No argument from me that its a waste of time for us to converse.
That is in terms of convincing each other.

A bunch of those 50,000 are preludes to you finally saying that it really doesn't mean anything to you.

So I stick with the argument by apathy.
It is interesting for someone to posture that logic is the main thing they object to when actually its an emotional dislike for God "figure" that really drives you.

@fmf said
Don't get me wrong. I'm not describing your beliefs as excrement. I'm not doing anything like that.

Yea, yea. Your innocence is astounding.
Ask anyone.