Why do religious ones stick with delusions?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Haven't you been following the debate? The absudity is the professing,
by certain evolutionary believing atheists, that chimps are close
ancestral relatives of humans. It does not matter what the gene
makeup might be, chimps and humans did not evolve from the same
common ancestor. They were created by God with the closely
related genes because that was part of the design in the bodies.

Thus proving my original post.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Thus proving my original post.

You think you really proved something, huh?

Originally posted by twhitehead
By the standard definition, most definitely. That's why I asked what your definition is.

[b]Are they conscious of their past,
Yes.

perhaps they make plans for retirement?
I don't know. I certainly don't. Am I unconscious?

Are they also aware of beauty and art?
Yes.

do tell, how Apes are conscious.
The same way we are. Unless you have a really strange definition which you seem to be reluctant to give.[/b]

so have you spoken with an Ape and they told you they were conscious of their past. whether you are conscious or not i cannot say, the majority of your posts dont seem to reflect any type of life, you could be an automated machine for all i know. Which great works of art have apes produced that led you to this astounding conclusion.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Your definition of what is 'conscious' is drifting all over the place. First we had this -

Are they conscious of their past, perhaps they make plans for retirement? Are they also aware of beauty and art? do tell, how Apes are conscious.

Now a requirement of conscious is being receptive to stimuli before being born?! The goalposts are moving all over the place.

ok, seeing that you are confused with word pictures, here is my definition, consciousness is the perception of what passes in ones own mind.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, seeing that you are confused with word pictures, here is my definition, consciousness is the perception of what passes in ones own mind.

So chimps and dolphins don't have minds? Because by that definition, anything with a brain has consciousness.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So chimps and dolphins don't have minds? Because by that definition, anything with a brain has consciousness.

so how do you get from my definition to chimps and dolphins dont have minds, do you mind explaining the thought process which led you to that conclusion?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so how do you get from my definition to chimps and dolphins dont have minds, do you mind explaining the thought process which led you to that conclusion?

It would seem from your premise dolphins and chimps must have consciousness too. Or else they don't have minds. Not sure which one you meant.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, seeing that you are confused with word pictures, here is my definition, consciousness is the perception of what passes in ones own mind.

How exactly would you test for this?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How exactly would you test for this?

in animals i do not know, in humans we have the 'stream of thought', which we can communicate through the unique gift of language.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
in animals i do not know, in humans we have the 'stream of thought', which we can communicate through the unique gift of language.

Except language is not unique to humans.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Except language is not unique to humans.

really?? which other creation is able to form abstract thoughts in their minds and then convey those thoughts to others, so that they also are able to grasp them? do tell, this should be interesting.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Except language is not unique to humans.

Yes it is! What other creature has a written language so
it can be scientifically verified that it is a language and not
just sounds? I know the answer. None.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes it is! What other creature has a written language so
it can be scientifically verified that it is a language and not
just sounds? I know the answer. None.

Did humans have language before they started writing it down?

Originally posted by FMF
Did humans have language before they started writing it down?

I wasn't there. But they sure do now, that is the point.
Dude.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes it is! What other creature has a written language so
it can be scientifically verified that it is a language and not
just sounds? I know the answer. None.

What a load of garbage you talk. There are lots of tribal languages that have no written form, the Massalit tribal language from Chad has no written language.