Why has a bee's sting evolved to be barbed?

Originally posted by amannion
Fairy tales = supernatural stories designed to present some sort of moral.
How is god different to this?

People didn't think about evolution because they had an explanation that worked - supernatural creation. But with observation of the natural world came problems with this explanation. Evolution corrected these problems. This is science.
If problems ...[text shortened]... people saw god?
Give me some credible evidence for this and I'll become a believer right now!

Fairy Tales = 1. A fanciful tale of legendary deeds and creatures, usually intended for children.
2. A fictitious, highly fanciful story or explanation.

Yes read The Bible, Now you are a Believer!

Originally posted by karoly aczel
1. Knock it off Dan! I'm talking about Hindu,Bhuddist,Shinto,etc. Not more christian crap.
2. What about me? Do you really wan to know? Or only if it fits in with the catholic dogma?
3.Man, get a perspective! You give me the hee-bee-gee-beees. I dont care where you come from, how old you are, or anything else. This is a spiritualitiy forum, not a catholic one. Generalissimo has been kind to you.

1. Well I don't read or believe in that stuff.
2. Yes I want to know.
3. I didn't say he hasn't

Originally posted by daniel58
Fairy Tales = 1. A fanciful tale of legendary deeds and creatures, usually intended for children.
2. A fictitious, highly fanciful story or explanation.

Yes read The Bible, Now you are a Believer!

No, I said CREDIBLE evidence.
Not some 2000 year old second hand rubbish.
I'm waiting ...

Originally posted by amannion
No, I said CREDIBLE evidence.
Not some 2000 year old second hand rubbish.
I'm waiting ...

It is credible read "The Case For Christ", it's not rubbish but The Truth.

Originally posted by daniel58
It is credible read "The Case For Christ", it's not rubbish but The Truth.

Yes, these are supportive documents from people like you - 'true believers'. That's not credible. That's completely biased.
Give me something that's credible ...

Your use of capitals denies a scientific approach. No scientist would ever claim evolution as The Truth. This denies any possibility of modification or change when faced with new evidence.

Originally posted by amannion
Yes, these are supportive documents from people like you - 'true believers'. That's not credible. That's completely biased.
Give me something that's credible ...

Your use of capitals denies a scientific approach. No scientist would ever claim evolution as The Truth. This denies any possibility of modification or change when faced with new evidence.

I already gave you "credible evidence" see my last post, I know no scientist would because it's not The Truth, but falsehood, invented by people who didn't Believe in God. Atheists who have nothing else better to do than think up crazy stories to make a hard time for us Law-abiding Christians.

Originally posted by amannion
Yes, these are supportive documents from people like you - 'true believers'. That's not credible. That's completely biased.
Give me something that's credible ...

Your use of capitals denies a scientific approach. No scientist would ever claim evolution as The Truth. This denies any possibility of modification or change when faced with new evidence.

so you believe you evolved from a monkey...and a horse evolved from a rat.... yeah right you can live by those dumb theory's because each was created according to its own kind, creation isnt lying about what we really are is it, evolution keeps changing its views yet the creation account stays the same.....its obvious that non believers decieve them selves in what is real and what isnt because the truth is the fossil record doesnt display any evidence in evolution.

the theory of Evolution is the same as telling people that all things happened by chance....The Earth revolves around the sun and we have night and day, the changing of the seasons and even the tides,the changing of the weather, and where would we be if it didnt rain? pretty remarkable, what about the eye, it is an amaizing functioning organ, so is the brain and they have to work together and you think that all these things just so happened by chance...

And scientists have been writting books about evolution for years with the intention of people like yourself believing it....Now evolution is not science is it?

Originally posted by barstudd
so you believe you evolved from a monkey...and a horse evolved from a rat.... yeah right you can live by those dumb theory's because each was created according to its own kind, creation isnt lying about what we really are is it, evolution keeps changing its views yet the creation account stays the same.....its obvious that non believers decieve them selves ...[text shortened]... hink that all these things just so happened by chance...

Now evolution is not science is it?

No, I don't believe I evolved from a monkey. If you think that's evolution, you are very misinformed about it.
Evolution does not work by chance. If you think that, you are very misinformed about evolution.

Evolution describes descent over large periods of time from common ancestors. Yes, I believe we share a common ancestor with monkeys, and horses, and rats, and everything else if you care to go back far enough. Much in the same way that you and I share a common mother and father, if you care to go back through enough generations. (And I sure as hell aren't talking about Adam and Eve.)

Evolution does not work by chance. It acts to select adaptations that suit an environment and filters out adaptations that do not suit. Tell me how this is 'by chance'.

Yes, the eye and brain and Sun and Moon are amazing, I agree with you. This is why I love science which helps us to build explanations for these things. It's why I became a science teacher to pass on my love for the world and for explaining it, to others. And it's why I reject fairy tales.
I've grown up.
Isn't it about time you did too?

Originally posted by daniel58
1. Well I don't read or believe in that stuff.
2. Yes I want to know.
3. I didn't say he hasn't

1. I dont read the bible, but I dont dismiss christianity out of hand.
2. Basically I just wanted to say that you need your own input in spirituality. Something origonal. Even if you are a christian. Thats what I think Christ would have wanted.
3.Thats good! I know he's been mean but you have to take his and others comments on balance as a whole.

Originally posted by amannion
No, I don't believe I evolved from a monkey. If you think that's evolution, you are very misinformed about it.
Evolution does not work by chance. If you think that, you are very misinformed about evolution.

Evolution describes descent over large periods of time from common ancestors. Yes, I believe we share a common ancestor with monkeys, and horses, an ...[text shortened]... s. And it's why I reject fairy tales.
I've grown up.
Isn't it about time you did too?

Nice post. I have a different interpratation of evolution that also INCLUDES your interpretation.
However I also like fairy tales.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Nice post. I have a different interpratation of evolution that also INCLUDES your interpretation.
However I also like fairy tales.

I like them too, but only as fiction. I don't believe they actually happened.

Originally posted by daniel58
Evolution doesn't exist God does.

Hi Daniel

I'm interested in your assertion that evolution does not exist...

Can you tell me what you mean by that?

Originally posted by snowinscotland
Hi Daniel

I'm interested in your assertion that evolution does not exist...

Can you tell me what you mean by that?

http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm

http://www.geocities.com/lamb_of_god_2005/no_evolution.html

Because for evolution to exist means God doesn't for it is the theory that God does not exist and trying to explain creation in a different way.

Originally posted by divegeester
Ok I thought the title was self explanatory, sorry.

Bee's have barbed stings so when they sting you they can't retract it. When they try to fly off the sting is pulled out along with most of the bee's gut. It dies.

How has this defensive weapon been evolved by this creature as a competitve advantage when it dies if it uses it?

This happens with mammals and reptiles, but not with other insects. With other insects the bee punctures the exoskeleton, and successfully retracts the stinger. The barb rips the exoskeleton instead of puncturing cleanly.

Thus, the stinger has clearly evolved as a defense against other insects.

Originally posted by daniel58
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm

http://www.geocities.com/lamb_of_god_2005/no_evolution.html

Because for evolution to exist means God doesn't for it is the theory that God does not exist and trying to explain creation in a different way.

I'm not sure I follow that - are you saying that your belief that God is threatened by evolution is the reason that evolution does not exist?