Why has a bee's sting evolved to be barbed?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry, my mistake, i forgot who i was writing to. You're the guy who couldn't understand dendochronology, how on Earth are you going to understand something like evolution. You're tiny little brain couldn't compute something relatively simple as tree rings how's it going to cope with understanding 3 billion years of life on this planet. You believe God m ...[text shortened]... b]

Gimme a break, that's all you theists have done for the last 2 thousand years.

Kelly Jay seems to understand chess better than you or I, it is of course not an indication of intelligence, but never the less, worthy of note when insulting him!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry, my mistake, i forgot who i was writing to. You're the guy who couldn't understand dendochronology, how on Earth are you going to understand something like evolution. You're tiny little brain couldn't compute something relatively simple as tree rings how's it going to cope with understanding 3 billion years of life on this planet. You believe God m ...[text shortened]... b]

Gimme a break, that's all you theists have done for the last 2 thousand years.

You were reduced to insults so early in the conversation, not very
impressive.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry, my mistake, i forgot who i was writing to. You're the guy who couldn't understand dendochronology, how on Earth are you going to understand something like evolution. You're tiny little brain couldn't compute something relatively simple as tree rings how's it going to cope with understanding 3 billion years of life on this planet. You believe God m ...[text shortened]... b]

Gimme a break, that's all you theists have done for the last 2 thousand years.

"Yes, life on this planet is a miracle, but we are here having this conversation so it's not impossible."

This planet is here so your views about it are right, is that what
you mean by this? If so how very circular of you!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Because of the vastness of all that is required is far greater than any
human invention ever put together, or better said than all of our
human inventions ever created combine! You don't have a clue
where everything came from let alone why they are the way they are,
so you really are just looking at an end product and suggesting it is
no big deal. Putt ...[text shortened]... t a small part of the picture,
and even there it is more complex than our CPUs or cars.
Kelly

Of course I don't have a clue how everything began, nor do you - I simply choose not to call my ignorance god.

I do have a faith in the explanatory power of science. Any cursory historical glance at our understanding of the world around us can show how we have developed explanations for things that 100 or 500 or 2000 years ago were thought to be magical or at least unexplainable.

Why should the development of life or the origin of the universe be any different?
Because you use emotional language like 'vastness' and 'far greater' and 'don't have a clue'?
Hardly.
Thinking something difficult does noit necessarily make it difficult.

Originally posted by amannion
The fact that everything seems just right for life shouldn't be all that surprising. If the things that make life possible weren't around then life wouldn't exist.

What's the problem with this being an accident? Why must you religious types have some sort of forced order imposed on the universe and everything in it from outside?
What is such a problem a ...[text shortened]... in gods and fairies doesn't mean beauty and wonder are closed off from me. Far from it ...

Okay, 1. Do you think your mind or any human mind could come up with "everything just right for life?", 2. Do you think that randomness could, which is not a mind but just pure chance? What are the "chance that that would happen? 1 to none?

Originally posted by daniel58
Okay, 1. Do you think your mind or any human mind could come up with "everything just right for life?", 2. Do you think that randomness could, which is not a mind but just pure chance? What are the "chance that that would happen? 1 to none?

1. Not my mind that's for sure, but a mind - yes, definitely.
2. Pure chance? No. But evolution doesn't work by pure chance, so evolution working through natural selection? Definitely.

Originally posted by amannion
Of course I don't have a clue how everything began, nor do you - I simply choose not to call my ignorance god.

I do have a faith in the explanatory power of science. Any cursory historical glance at our understanding of the world around us can show how we have developed explanations for things that 100 or 500 or 2000 years ago were thought to be magical ...[text shortened]... a clue'?
Hardly.
Thinking something difficult does noit necessarily make it difficult.

True, but even working out a chess move is difficult at times, let alone
setting up material to build a complex piece of equipment. We are
talking about life and the universe, and talking about all that is
required for one to produce and maintain the other. You may think it
is a piece of cake, no big deal, I'm not inclining to agree with that
assessment if it is indeed yours.
Kelly

Originally posted by amannion
1. Not my mind that's for sure, but a mind - yes, definitely.
2. Pure chance? No. But evolution doesn't work by pure chance, so evolution working through natural selection? Definitely.

I disagree.
Natural selection is an after the fact guide it doesn't look for ways to
create or improve and picks one.
Kelly

Originally posted by amannion
1. Not my mind that's for sure, but a mind - yes, definitely.
2. Pure chance? No. But evolution doesn't work by pure chance, so evolution working through natural selection? Definitely.

1. YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!! God's Mind.
2. No evolution doesn't work at all.

Originally posted by daniel58
2. No evolution doesn't work at all.

You do the same mistake that any other creationist does:
You have a very strong opinion about something you don't have any knowledge about.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Kelly Jay seems to understand chess better than you or I, it is of course not an indication of intelligence, but never the less, worthy of note when insulting him!

Kelly Jay highest rating - 1764

Proper Knob highest rating - 1810.

Come on Robbie, look at the evidence.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You do the same mistake that any other creationist does:
You have a very strong opinion about something you don't have any knowledge about.

http://prophecyrevealed.com/godvsscience.htm

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html?gclid=CLiPhsef75wCFRRlswodykRakA

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/proof-of-god.htm

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

http://www.philosopher.org.uk/god.htm

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/aquinas3.html

http://www.freemarketproject.org/articles/2008/20080830000004.aspx

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Pamphlets/Mansproof.html

Here are some opinions
There is no proof just like there is no proof that the egyptian were capable of building megolithic structures.
The sheer difference in all creatures, all plants, all bodies of water, the earth. The stars, sun and moon in the sky. The rain, the snow, thunder, lightening, hail. The vastnest all creations. The invisible things of the universe which hold it together. The coolest thing about God: if you tell Him you want to believe yet are skeptical, He will respond to you and not be angry. Men approached Jesus and believed Him but were still unsure and all they simply said to Jesus was -- we want to believe increase our belief.
Read st. Anselm's Monologium (the monologue), Proslogium (the Prologue) and Cur Deus Homo (the god man).
There is no such proof.
The fact that you are merely asking this question is proof that God exists. God made you to be an intellectual human being that wonders about such things as the existence of soul's and the afterlife. If evolution were true, then why aren't horses studying their bodies and wondering the same question? I find it interesting that people can come leave an answer saying "there is no such proof" and yet gives no evidence on why that statement is correct.
Actually, "there is no proof" is the most correct answer here. The statement "[t]he fact that you are merely asking this question is proof that God exists" is vacuous. The diversity and complexity of life can have perfectly natural explanations (and no, the fact that horses do not ask questions like this one does not call evolution into question, any more than the fact that humans don't weigh over 1,000lbs and have the ability to run 50+mph would), and these are the simplest and most consistent with what is known, hence the burden of proof, so to speak, is on the person claiming there is a god(s). It is up to that person to provide the evidence, not the other way around, and simply saying things like "look around you..." or "the fact that you're asking..." does not deliver the goods.
It depends how you define "proof." There are plenty of people who are _convinced_ of a god's existence (perhaps the Christian God, as one example), and others who simply accept it on faith. Others have had profound personal experiences, trust in their emotions, or see it as logically or philosophically necessary for a god to exist. Those are all various types of "proof." If you mean in the physical -- science sense -- which is devoted solely to physical, not metaphysical, phenomena -- there is none. Nor could there be.
There are many things to support the existence of God. Look at the complexity of the human body. One cell has many organelles that work together to support its function...take away one and function ceases and the cell dies. Now that one cell alone may not be convincing, but if you look at each function the human body does and the fact that they all work together to sustain life, it is amazing. And in a broader perspective the whole world functions in the same way. There are many separate systems that work together to sustain life. The air we breathe contains the exact levels of certain chemicals for instance. If those levels were changed even slightly life as we know it would cease to be. I think just exploring science is a great way to see there must be a God. Life on this planet is so beautifully orchestrated that it is impossible for me to believe anything but we are a creation of a very wonderful and mindful Creator. God has made it easy for us to understand His creation because it points to Him.
Intelligent people know that no one knows whether there is a God or not. The existence of such a Being is merely a matter of opinion. Any so called "proof" that the god of the Bible (Jehovah of the Jews) exists is just as much "proof" that the god of ANY ancient religious holy book exists. If God exists, WHO is he, she or it? Personally, I say that ALL gods are pretend.
There is no proof. The only way to prove a theory is with empirical evidence. The Bible does not constitute evidence in the same way that the Quran does not mean we should all be Muslim.
One of the major aspects of any religion is FAITH. If you have faith you don't need hard proof. This can be very hard to accept. I myself have issues with my faith and my religion because I tend to think to logically, to depend on science too much to just accept some things on blind faith.
As to SCIENTIFIC proof of God's existence, there is none. Most scientists are agnostics, acknowledging the possibility of God's existence. Others choose to believe in God's existence because that is the ultimate answer to "why are we here and where did we come from." Without a God, there would be no answer to that question, and most people find this severely discomforting.
What is the proof that God does not exist? I believe there is actually no proof for either. Although I am a Christian and do believe that Jesus is the son of God, I cannot prove it. I believe in the Bible and what it teaches. Faith is believing in what we cannot see. I think if you could prove God's existence, you have completely defeated the purpose of faith.
If you doubt His existence, go out by yourself by a river, sincerely ask Him to give you a sign in the sky or water that He loves you and wants you to come to Him through Jesus sacrifice for you. It worked for me. Diligently seek His Face, not halfheartedly.
The thought of proof of God is too difficult for us to comprehend. But you must remember that everything has a cause, therefore, there must be an ultimate cause which was never caused by anything else. Meaning there must be a God.
What proof did the Greeks have that Zeus exists? None, of course. But they still believed, because it makes people feel good to believe in gods, heaven, etc. Humans are a social species, and don't like the feeling of being alone. Belief in some gods helps them make sense of the world, makes the world seem somehow "fair." It's a childish belief, but many people want to stay dependent and free, like children.
To counter an answer already given, the fact that you are asking this question is "proof" that there is no proof to God's existence.
There is NO proof. There can NEVER be proof. It is a matter of what your heart tells you. God sends signs of his existence through miracles and spirits who walk the earth. Just search inside your soul (I personally like to meditate) and listen to what your heart tells you. Only YOU know, people can't decide for you. I just know he exists because it's what I feel DEEP inside. The Native Americans would go to some sort of forest, wooded area or some peaceful place where nature surrounds you. They would just sit for DAYS or even WEEKS. They would not eat or do anything at all. They would sit there and meditate until they found what they were searching for. You can do that and just wait for some sort of sign or something that may help you to believe.
The real answer to the question of the exitence of GOD should be what difference does it make.If your faith in a supreme being makes you feel good or protected that's all that matters. Isn't that what faith is all about?
"Seek not to understand so that you may believe, but believe so that you may understand." - St. Augustine. Proof that God exists...well, I personally think that God is all around us, it's just that we are too blind to see Him and His works. therefore, to find proof, just look at the sunset over the ocean, or at a homeless person's eyes when you give them your lunch. that, my friend, is God.
There is no real proof of God but, the reason I believe in him is safety. Feeling safe that there is something in the next life and something watching over us.
The proof that God exists is everywhere around us. Think about who could invent such beautiful things such as the trees, the lakes, the sun, or the sky that no human could have invented and plus the breeze that carries you when you are sad. There's no doubt that God exists. If you want more proof, get on your knees and pray and ask God to let you have a beautiful experience with him.

Proof? Walk in front of a mirror,take a good look.
If you want proof that God is real then read the Bible...I suggest The Message bible or the New International Version. They are the easiest to read! Or you can go more modern and read the Street Bible.
One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the fact that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is another than himself.It is certain and indisputable that the creator of man is not like man because a powerless creature cannot create another being. The maker, the creator, has to possess all perfections in order that he may create. Can the creation be perfect and the creator imperfect? Can a picture be a masterpiece and the painter imperfect in his art? For it is his art and his creation. Moreover, the picture cannot be like the painter; otherwise, the painting would have created itself. However perfect the picture may be, in comparison with the painter it is in the utmost degree of imperfection. The contingent world is the source of imperfections: God is the origin of perfections. The imperfections of the contingent world are in themselves a proof of the perfections of God. For example, when you look at man, you see that he is weak. This very weakness of the creature is a proof of the power of the Eternal Almighty One, because, if there...

Originally posted by KellyJay
True, but even working out a chess move is difficult at times, let alone
setting up material to build a complex piece of equipment. We are
talking about life and the universe, and talking about all that is
required for one to produce and maintain the other. You may think it
is a piece of cake, no big deal, I'm not inclining to agree with that
assessment if it is indeed yours.
Kelly

I don't think it's a piece of cake, but evolution gives it a way to work in much simpler and easier increments than simply going from inorganic elements to a complex living thing.

Originally posted by daniel58
1. YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!! God's Mind.
2. No evolution doesn't work at all.

Why doesn't evolution work?
Give me your great insight ...

Originally posted by KellyJay
I disagree.
Natural selection is an after the fact guide it doesn't look for ways to
create or improve and picks one.
Kelly

Evolution by natural selection is not about improvement, and it certainly doesn't work retrospectively if that's what you're alluding to.