Worlds problems....

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It was explained to you why it was logical, the insistence that God is withholding
information is yours, not mine.

It's also Galveston's, he's now said explicitly that he 'sticks by that'.

Do you share his view?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It's also Galveston's, he's now said explicitly that he 'sticks by that'.

Do you share his view?

I have provided my point of view on what i think the Gmans intent was and what my
own intent was, why must I do so again and again?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have provided my point of view on what i think the Gmans intent was and what my
own intent was, why must I do so again and again?

As has been explained to you, your characterisation of what Galveston has said is completely at odds with what he has actually written. He has categorically stated, numerous times now, that he believes God deliberately doesn't let people see/understand, he's even said he 'sticks by that' view. Do you dispute that is Galveston's view?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have provided my point of view on what i think the Gmans intent was and what my
own intent was, why must I do so again and again?

galveston75's insistence that God is withholding information and your insistence that what galveston75 means is [somehow] that God is NOT withholding information, and your apparent insistence that God is NOT withholding information, is not some trifling matter. It seems instead to be utterly fundamental.

Originally posted by JS357
OK so when someone on this forum presents you with a particular kind of resistance, you have guidance available on how to deal with it. I imagine this is in the brochures and of course in your weekly meetings you can bring up the situations you come across on this forum, if you feel a need for guidance.

So the engagements on this forum are providing intel o ...[text shortened]...
Edit: Is this an example of some brochures?

http://www.jw.org/index.xjp?option=QrYQCsVrGlBBX

There are many differences between the forum and house to house ministry, some
subtle , some contrasting. For example when one goes from house to house, the vast
majority of people, at least in Scotland, (in England ive had a different experience) are
polite but entirely disinterested in religion, the Bible etc of course this varies depending
upon the location, for example I used to live near Glasgow University, the students
were generally quite open minded and would discuss religious concepts whereas in
suburbia, peoples attitudes are different, they tend to be quite materialistic in outlook.
Also some religions are way more hospitable than others, for examples, Muslims are
much more likely to be inclined to invite you into their home for refreshments than
others.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
As has been explained to you, your characterisation of what Galveston has said is completely at odds with what he has actually written. He has categorically stated, numerous times now, that he believes God deliberately doesn't let people see/understand, he's even said he 'sticks by that' view. Do you dispute that is Galveston's view?

I dont think it is at odds, in fact, it appears to me to be wholly representative of my
perceptions of what the Gmans intent was. You may disagree, but my reality is
different from yours, for you are not me and I am not you. I have already stated what
I thought his intent was, you are under no duress to accept it. Why cant you just
accept what the Gman has stated instead of asking me what it means?

Originally posted by FMF
galveston75's insistence that God is withholding information and your insistence that what galveston75 means is [somehow] that God is NOT withholding information, and your apparent insistence that God is NOT withholding information, is not some trifling matter. It seems instead to be utterly fundamental.

have i stated that its a triviality? nope, then why are you saying, or rather intimating
that I have? If the Gman thinks that God is withholding information, then so what? If I
think that its a case of the recipient not valuing the evidence that is provided, then so
what? It appears to me that neither are contradictory and both may be correct under
certain circumstances.

does God withhold certain information from persons, yes indeed.

(Matthew 24:36) . . .“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels
of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

can it be established Biblically, that a person does not value the evidence that is
presented, yes indeed.

(1 Corinthians 1:18) 18 For the speech about the torture stake is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is God’s power. . .

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
have i stated that its a triviality? nope, then why are you saying, or rather intimating
that I have? If the Gman thinks that God is withholding information, then so what? .

The JW organisation has no stance on this fundamental matter?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont think it is at odds, in fact, it appears to me to be wholly representative of my
perceptions of what the Gmans intent was. You may disagree, but my reality is
different from yours, for you are not me and I am not you. I have already stated what
I thought his intent was, you are under no duress to accept it. Why cant you just
accept what the Gman has stated instead of asking me what it means?

I'm not asking you what he means, i'm asking you whether you agree with what he has said. He has explained quite explicitly what he means, his views are crystal clear. I'm only trying to ascertain if you share the same views.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont think it is at odds, in fact, it appears to me to be wholly representative of my
perceptions of what the Gmans intent was. You may disagree, but my reality is
different from yours, for you are not me and I am not you. I have already stated what
I thought his intent was, you are under no duress to accept it. Why cant you just
accept what the Gman has stated instead of asking me what it means?

I think Proper Knob might be asking you what you think, and having heard what galveston75 thinks, he may well believe - as I do - that what he said and what you say are diametrically opposite, while - rather oddly - you appear to be claiming that they are not.

Originally posted by FMF
The JW organisation has no stance on this fundamental matter?

Maybe, cannot say, its not something i have ever had cause to research and not being
a walking encyclopaedia, i cannot say.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm not asking you what he means, i'm asking you whether you agree with what he has said. He has explained quite explicitly what he means, his views are crystal clear. I'm only trying to ascertain if you share the same views.

according to my own understanding, both are correct, i provide the scriptural basis
for my assertions,

does God withhold certain information from persons, yes indeed.

(Matthew 24:36) . . .“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels
of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

can it be established Biblically, that a person does not value the evidence that is
presented, yes indeed.

(1 Corinthians 1:18) 18 For the speech about the torture stake is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is God’s power. . .

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
have i stated that its a triviality? nope, then why are you saying, or rather intimating
that I have? If the Gman thinks that God is withholding information, then so what? If I
think that its a case of the recipient not valuing the evidence that is provided, then so
what? It appears to me that neither are contradictory and both may be corre ...[text shortened]... s foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is God’s power. . .

You've changed your tune, when i asked a few pages ago if God was withholding evidence/information you said -

its not a case of withholding evidence.........

Now you're saying -

does God withhold certain information from persons, yes indeed.

So God does decide to withhold evidence.information from people?!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Maybe, cannot say, its not something i have ever had cause to research and not being
a walking encyclopaedia, i cannot say.

You've never researched such a fundamental matter and you don't know what your organisation's stance on it is?

Originally posted by FMF
I think Proper Knob might be asking you what you think, and having heard what galveston75 thinks, he may well believe - as I do - that what he said and what you say are diametrically opposite, while - rather oddly - you appear to be claiming that they are not.

I have provided a scriptural basis for my assertions, you may make reference to them,
if you like, i neither see them as diametrically opposed nor conflicting.