Worlds problems....

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If the Gman thinks that God is withholding information, then so what?

You said he didn't think that. Now you seem to be prevaricating. Is he right or wrong about it?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You've changed your tune, when i asked a few pages ago if God was withholding evidence/information you said -

its not a case of withholding evidence.........

Now you're saying -

does God withhold certain information from persons, yes indeed.

So God does decide to withhold evidence.information from people?!

I have provided a scriptural basis which appears to me to illustrate both that God has
withheld or is withholding information, not only from the angels, and the Christ, but by
extension, mankind in general and I have also provided a scriptural basis which
illustrates that persons do not value the information that they do receive, you will now
state why this is contradictory.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have provided a scriptural basis for my assertions, you may make reference to them,
if you like, i neither see them as diametrically opposed nor conflicting.

Well your "scriptural basis" does not explain why you and galveston75 hold completely opposite views, and why you are trying to pass these views off as the same.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have provided a scriptural basis which appears to me to illustrate both that God has
withheld or is withholding information, not only from the angels, and the Christ, but by
extension, mankind in general and I have also provided a scriptural basis which
illustrates that persons do not value the information that they do receive, you will now
state why this is contradictory.

galveston75 claims that God withholds evidence from many Christians. Does God withhold evidence from JWs?

Originally posted by FMF
You said he didn't think that. Now you seem to be prevaricating. Is he right or wrong about it?

its neither a question of being right or being wrong, the two scenarios do not appear to
me to be either opposed, nor conflicting as illustrated by the Biblical texts i have
provided to demonstrate this reality. clearly God has or is withholding certain
information from mankind and clearly people do not appreciate value information that
they have been the recipient of, your insistence that these are somehow contradictory
appears to me to be quite ludicrous.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have provided a scriptural basis which appears to me to illustrate both that God has
withheld or is withholding information, not only from the angels, and the Christ, but by
extension, mankind in general and I have also provided a scriptural basis which
illustrates that persons do not value the information that they do receive, you will now
state why this is contradictory.

its not that God is withholding evidence as in hiding something from you...

then -

does God withhold certain information from persons, yes indeed.

If that is not a contradiction, i don't know what is. You even said -

the insistence that God is withholding information is yours, not mine.

Originally posted by Proper Knob

its not that God is withholding evidence as in hiding something from you...

then -

does God withhold certain information from persons, yes indeed.

If that is not a contradiction, i don't know what is.

the two were used to illustrate different scenarios, your insistence that they are one
and the same is quite absurd. According to the scriptural references that I have
provided, is it not the case that they both illustrate that God is withholding information
AND that people do not value the information that they have received?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its neither a question of being right or being wrong, the two scenarios do not appear to
me to be either opposed, nor conflicting as illustrated by the Biblical texts i have
provided to demonstrate this reality. clearly God has or is withholding certain information from mankind and clearly people do not appreciate value information that
they h ...[text shortened]... of, your insistence that these are somehow contradictory
appears to me to be quite ludicrous.

Why did you try to explain away what galveston75 had clearly said, repeatedly so, as being something other than what he had actually said?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the two were used to illustrate different scenarios, your insistence that they are one
and the same is quite absurd. according to the scriptural references that i have
provided, is it not the case that they both illustrate that God is withholding information
AND that people do not value the information that they have received?

You quite categorically claimed last night -

the insistence that God is withholding information is yours, not mine.

Now your claiming that he does withhold information.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the two were used to illustrate different scenarios, your insistence that they are one
and the same is quite absurd. According to the scriptural references that I have
provided, is it not the case that they both illustrate that God is withholding information
AND that people do not value the information that they have received?

Why didn't you just step up and correct galveston75 for saying something significantly different from what you are now saying, rather than pass it off as a case of Proper Knob or me not understanding?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Now your claiming that he does withhold information.

Is it perhaps that robbie has changed his mind and simply does not want to admit it?

Originally posted by FMF
Why did you try to explain away what galveston75 had clearly said, repeatedly so, as being something other than what he had actually said?

I dont think i have and i am not Galveston and he is not me, what is more, i have
provided clear scriptural references which illustrate the questions that are being asked,
why do you continually ignore them? It would appear to me that you are not really
interested in understanding why I have stated the things that I have and may have
some other motive, otherwise you would have made reference to them, wouldn't you.

Originally posted by FMF
Is it perhaps that robbie has changed his mind and simply does not want to admit it?

I have provided scriptural references, which demonstrate that both may be established
Biblically.

Originally posted by FMF
Is it perhaps that robbie has changed his mind and simply does not want to admit it?

Bingo!!!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have provided scriptural references, which demonstrate that both may be established
Biblically.

You seem to have changed your mind but don't want to concede that you have. This is the kind of thing that makes you seem so furtive.