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Originally posted by @suzianne
Was Neville Chamberlain's mollification of Hitler's dream of world domination 'something to be a little optimistic about'?
I understand that when two world leaders who were threatening war start threatening peace, that this upsets your apocalyptic perspective.

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Originally posted by @divegeester
I understand that when two world leaders who were threatening war start threatening peace, that this upsets your apocalyptic perspective.
I'm sure Neville Chamberlain thought this too.

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Originally posted by @suzianne
I'm sure Neville Chamberlain thought this too.
Neville Chaimberlain thought that when two world leaders who were threatening war, started threatening peace, that this upsets paranoid partisan Christians who hold apocalyptic perspectives?

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Originally posted by @romans1009
Fulfilled prophecies. Eyewitness testimony.
Behavior of the disciples.

How many fulfilled prophecies are in the Koran and Vedas?
You tell me? Have you looked into it? Are prophecies even a determining factor for religious truth?

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Originally posted by @fmf
I disagree. Christians peering at the world through their gloomy, impotent prisms are ten a penny.
Christians see the world through the lens of scripture. The scriptures have never failed to predict the future for both nations and individuals alike that fail to heed the warnings for failure to obey God's Word.

Your hope in the endeavors of man to govern himself are proven to be impotent by the record of human history alone, much less the accuracy of biblical prophecy.

False prophets are a dime a dozen.

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Originally posted by @secondson
Christians see the world through the lens of scripture. The scriptures have never failed to predict the future for both nations and individuals alike that fail to heed the warnings for failure to obey God's Word.

Your hope in the endeavors of man to govern himself are proven to be impotent by the record of human history alone, much less the accuracy of biblical prophecy.

False prophets are a dime a dozen.
Thanks for the Jeremiah quote.

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Originally posted by @fmf
Jeremiah this, Jeremiah that. You are offering me nothing about economic and social development and the trends towards better governance in many parts of the world.
Take a broader look. We're sitting on the ash heap of man's efforts to create economic and social development and better governance since time began.

But you can't see it because you're looking at the world through the lens of humanism and the illusion of evolution.

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Originally posted by @fmf
[b]I'm in better company than the so-called "walk-the-walk Indonesian Christians" you're meeting with.

Whose "company" do you claim to be in when it comes to taking a look at the human condition in countries like Indonesia at this stage of their development?[/b]
Not yours.

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Originally posted by @secondson
Take a broader look. We're sitting on the ash heap of man's efforts to create economic and social development and better governance since time began.

But you can't see it because you're looking at the world through the lens of humanism and the illusion of evolution.
Take a broader look.

I believe I am taking a broader look ~ while you are - rather comically, to my way of thinking - wittering on about ancient Hebrew mythology.

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Originally posted by @secondson
Not yours.
Whose "company" do you claim is "better" than the "walk-the-walk Indonesian Christians" I mentioned when it comes to understanding this (their) country and how it has been changing for the better?

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Originally posted by @fmf
Thanks for the Jeremiah quote.
Fail to learn the lesson of history and you're doomed to repeat it.

Man doesn't have the power to fix himself. Man is the problem. All you're doing is echoing the same old self righteous and man made solutions to a chronic condition that has plagued mankind since the beginning.

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Originally posted by @fmf
Whose "company" do you claim is "better" than the "walk-the-walk Indonesian Christians" I mentioned when it comes to understanding this (their) country and how it has been changing for the better?
The Hebrew mythological God's company.

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Originally posted by @secondson
Man doesn't have the power to fix himself. Man is the problem. All you're doing is echoing the same old self righteous and man made solutions to a chronic condition that has plagued mankind since the beginning.
What do you offer instead? Gloom. Fatalism. Impotence. Superstition. Maybe that cocktail has the power to fix the world's problems, although I don't see it myself.

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Originally posted by @secondson
The Hebrew mythological God's company.
Oh well, you tried to come up with something trite, again. Didn't seem to work though.

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Are prophecies even a determining factor for religious truth?
They are a huge factor. I've heard that as much as 30% of biblical prophecy has been fulfilled.

Prophecy is a major component of the Bible that sets it aside from all other religions and their so-called scriptures.

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