11 Aug 13
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes, because if you aren't saved, you will be tormented eternally! But if you were saved and turn away - a worse punishment shall befall you - eternal torment plus one week!!!
[i]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy comman ...[text shortened]... use they cannot be unborn or they are Gods children, they better have another read of the bible.
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by SwissGambitFunny. Actually that is proof that eternal torment is not for the masses of bad people. I have repeated said that I don't believe eternal torment is a Biblical concept.
Yes, because if you aren't saved, you will be tormented eternally! But if you were saved and turn away - a worse punishment shall befall you - eternal torment [b]plus one week!!![/b]
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by Rajk999Well, it's certainly more just if not every bad person gets the same punishment regardless of the degree of their offense.
Funny. Actually that is proof that eternal torment is not for the masses of bad people. I have repeated said that I don't believe eternal torment is a Biblical concept.
I notice the word 'eternally' in the thread title. Do you believe in eternal salvation?
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by SwissGambitI believe that God awards eternal life to those who are obedient to the commandments of his son Jesus. Its a lifelong pursuit and not obtained immediately upon accepting Christ.
Well, it's certainly more just if not every bad person gets the same punishment regardless of the degree of their offense.
I notice the word 'eternally' in the thread title. Do you believe in eternal salvation?
The eternal part is difficult to interpret. Many of the statements in the Bible pertaining to eternal, eternity, everlasting, for ever, for ever and ever mostly refer to an age or an era or a very long time.
The idea of eternity is impossible for man's small mind to imagine .. for me anyhow.
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by Rajk999Sorry, but I am not asking "who" cannot lose or gain salvation, I am asking you if a person, any person who loses their salvation, can they subsequently regain it?
Is it not obvious to you as well. Did you read the reference in Peter?
I feel strongly about corrupt preachers and teachers telling the poor innocent illiterate masses that they all they have to do is to accept Christ with their mouth and they will get salvation and they cannot lose it despite their sins. The Bible teaches no such thing.
I cannot tell ...[text shortened]... re are many cases in the Bible of repenters who did not gain repentance or forgiveness from God.
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However many will argue those who shrunk away never really had salvation to begin with it. I don't believe in cheap salvation as if one truly accepts and believes on and repents of their evil rebel heart towards God...God takes them and He dwells in that person and they will never be the same after that. They will gladly do the deeds of their King. Key point is if anyone thinks they can just accept Jesus with mouth service then they don't fully understand. Lastly there is the calling of God....God calls ....Faith is action because of belief example: God made promises to Abraham and Abraham acted upon what God told him.
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11 Aug 13
Originally posted by menace71The point is Manny is that it is not right for preachers and teachers to go around fooling the gullible masses of Christians by telling them they cannot lose their salvation once they accept Christ with their mount. Do you agree?
However many will argue those who shrunk away never really had salvation to begin with it. I don't believe in cheap salvation as if one truly accepts and believes on and repents of their evil rebel heart towards God...God takes them and He dwells in that person and they will never be the same after that. They will gladly do the deeds of their King. Key poin ...[text shortened]... ief example: God made promises to Abraham and Abraham acted upon what God told him.
Manny
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by VelnsMy certainty is based on what the Bible says clearly. It clearly states the fate of some who accept Christ and then reject him subsequently .. ie they can lose their salvation and go into perdition.
You seem so certain of the negative, don't you think you should at least have some idea on the positive?
The Bible says nothing [that I know of] pertaining to your question.
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11 Aug 13
Once a person is born again, he/she is a child of God. He belongs to God and that does not change. When Jesus returns, that person is raised from the dead and has everlasting life.
While this person is here on earth and for whatever reason turns back to sin he invites Satan into his life and has a miserable life, unless he repents and returns to The Lord.
However, even if he does not repent, he will still be ushered into eternal life because of what Christ accomplished.
That is the Grace of God, this person will get no rewards, and will probably regret not giving his all for Jesus now.
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by Rajk999It seems strange to me that you are so indifferent about this matter. For a christian to be so sure that a person can be 'unsaved' and yet have no idea how to address such a person should you meet them seems bizarre in the extreme. What would you say to someone you met who had fallen away and then repented?
My certainty is based on what the Bible says clearly. It clearly states the fate of some who accept Christ and then reject him subsequently .. ie they can lose their salvation and go into perdition.
The Bible says nothing [that I know of] pertaining to your question.
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterSome references would be nice CB. Both Paul and Peter disagree with you. Can you comment on the passages I quoted?
Once a person is born again, he/she is a child of God. He belongs to God and that does not change. When Jesus returns, that person is raised from the dead and has everlasting life.
While this person is here on earth and for whatever reason turns back to sin he invites Satan into his life and has a miserable life, unless he repents and returns to The Lor ...[text shortened]... God, this person will get no rewards, and will probably regret not giving his all for Jesus now.
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by VelnsI don't know what you mean by 'unsaved'. The term does not exist in the Bible. I said that the BIBLE said that someone who drawbacks from God will not get eternal life. Please read the opening post again.
It seems strange to me that you are so indifferent about this matter. For a christian to be so sure that a person can be 'unsaved' and yet have no idea how to address such a person should you meet them seems bizarre in the extreme. What would you say to someone you met who had fallen away and then repented?
Christ will judge all people. What I will say to a repentant person is 'good luck'. I cannot answer you any further.
11 Aug 13
Originally posted by Rajk999Do you believe that the person that drawsback from God had ever accepted Christ as his savior? Or perhaps he was just trying to learn some teachings about God, then drewback and rejected God.
I don't know what you mean by 'unsaved'. The term does not exist in the Bible. I said that the BIBLE said that someone who drawbacks from God will not get eternal life. Please read the opening post again.
Christ will judge all people. What I will say to a repentant person is 'good luck'. I cannot answer you any further.
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