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Originally posted by @fmfThat’s not at all what I said but I don’t think I can explain it any better than I already have.
So you looking after your mother is righteous but looking after their mother is akin to dirty rags if a non-Christian does it? I don't see how this is the basis for a functioning moral compass. It always seems a bit dehumanizing. Morally sound behaviour can only be engaged in by people of your religion. It sounds a bit like a parody of divine order.
You’re trying to assign righteousness to good works. I’m saying good works, by either a Christian or an atheist, are not what makes them righteous (in right standing with God.)
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Will we be able to tell you have become more like Christ based on how you conduct yourself here if we compare your behaviour in a few years' time to how you behave now?
You have heard of the real world, haven’t you?
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<Yet, according to the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, being righteous is what makes one righteous.>
I’ve been using the Biblical definition of righteous - in right standing with God.
But your sentence, excerpted above, reminds me of another poster who said the definition of death was being dead.
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009In what sense do you imagine atheists are trying to make themselves righteous in the eyes of your god figure?
You’re trying to assign righteousness to good works. I’m saying good works, by either a Christian or an atheist, are not what makes them righteous (in right standing with God.)
06 Feb 18
FMF: So you looking after your mother is righteous but looking after their mother is akin to dirty rags if a non-Christian does it?FMF: So you looking after your mother is righteous but looking after their mother is akin to dirty rags if a non-Christian does it?
Originally posted by @romans1009
That’s not at all what I said but I don’t think I can explain it any better than I already have.
So I have used your "dirty rags" metaphor incorrectly in the question above?
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009You are becoming more Christ like in your "telephone conversations, face-to-face meetings, etc."?
Sure, people I am in contact with on a regular basis in the “real world.” Telephone conversations, face-to-face meetings, etc.
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Originally posted by @fmfYes because good works are not what makes one righteous (in right standing with God.)
FMF: [b]So you looking after your mother is righteous but looking after their mother is akin to dirty rags if a non-Christian does it?
So I have used your "dirty rags" metaphor incorrectly in the question above?[/b]
Heading to bed. Have a good night.
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Originally posted by @fmfYou seem to have a very poor grasp of Christian doctrine for someone who was a Christian for decades.
FMF: [b]So you looking after your mother is righteous but looking after their mother is akin to dirty rags if a non-Christian does it?
So I have used your "dirty rags" metaphor incorrectly in the question above?[/b]
Looking after your mother doesn't make anyone 'righteous' in and by itself.
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Originally posted by @fmfNo, people I regularly see and communicate with obviously know me and know what I am doing better than people who have never met me but only read posts I write on the Internet.
You are becoming more Christ like in your "telephone conversations, face-to-face meetings, etc."?
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerRomans1009 cited looking after his mother as an example of 'good works' and his righteousness but it wouldn't be righteous to look after his mother if he weren't a Christian; it would be like "dirty rags".
Looking after your mother doesn't make anyone 'righteous' in and by itself.
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009So, once again, will people here be able to tell that you have become more like Christ based on how you conduct yourself on this forum if we compare your behaviour in a few years' time to how you behave now? Or can we only know if you are becoming more Christ like form things like telephone calls with you?
No, people I regularly see and communicate with obviously know me and know what I am doing better than people who have never met me but only read posts I write on the Internet.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfNo you are twisting his words. Here they are. Read them slowly, maybe it will sink in.
Romans1009 cited looking after his mother as an example of 'good works' and his righteousness but it wouldn't be righteous to look after his mother if he weren't a Christian; it would be like "dirty rags".
Accepting Christ as one’s Lord and Saviour is what makes one righteous. Full stop.
Good works are a manifestation of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a believer and changing his or her heart and mind.
Good works by either an atheist or a Christian are not what makes one righteous (in right standing with God.)
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo, I am not. I am presenting him with the implications of his words which, by the way, come across as rote-learned bits of dogma being trotted out, which means he may not have spent much time thinking about their implications.
No you are twisting his words.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfQuote his exact words that you are presenting the implications of.
No, I am not. I am presenting him with the implications of his words which, by the way, come across as rote-learned bits of dogma being trotted out, which means he may not have spent much time thinking about their implications.
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerAll of them on the subject of righteousness. Back since he started posting.
Quote his exact words that you are presenting the implications of.