Originally posted by @romans1009Nothing about heaven there. It's your interpretation
Read John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 and let me know how you interpret “everlasting life” and “saved.” And if believers live with God after their physical death (and they do,) they will be living with God in His home - Heaven!
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleIt sounds like you are literally saying that I am not smart enough to discuss things with and that everything would be over my head.
It sounds like you are literally saying that I am not smart enough to discuss things with and that everything would be over my head. I would dispute how true that is because I feel like I contribute something to the forum and have some knowledge of these things. AT least, I hope I do, I try to study them well, and am I am really willing to discuss t ...[text shortened]... e forum and you might wish to think about treating your fellow Christian with a better attitude.
That's not what I said. at all. Reread what I actually wrote. I think you're smart enough. However, you're a lazy thinker. From what I can tell, you've long been a lazy thinker and it's left you with a pretty simplistic world view and you process everything accordingly. There are lots of people like this. For all intents and purposes they operate on the level of a young teen. Do I think that you can step up your game? Sure.
A little while ago you wrote this to me:
" I am not a very smart guy and I cannot decipher what everyone is saying all the time."
Was that false humility on your part at the time?
Or is it pride on your part now?
Quite frankly, you seem to have a "Sunday School" understanding of the Bible, yet you seem to believe that you have a deeper understanding than that. If in fact your "not a very smart guy" and you "cannot decipher what everyone is saying all the time", what makes you believe you have a deep understanding of the Bible? Wouldn't that preclude it?
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Originally posted by @romans1009You said something utterly nonsensical about atheists by seeking to associate them with your supernatural definition of "righteousness". Just pointing it out. Atheists are not superstitious about morality.
<Atheists don't believe in your version of your god figure...>
No, but they pretend to be experts on Christianity and the Bible. They just don’t understand it.
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Originally posted by @romans1009They are atheists. What does your "Biblical definition" have to do with them? They are able to be righteous through their own efforts because they are the only efforts that they can make.
<Obviously, the only efforts to live morally sound lives that atheists can make are their own efforts.>
Correct, but they don’t become righteous this way (referring to the Biblical definition of righteousness.)
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Saved and getting eternal life is not the same thing as Paul clearly said.
Absolutely!
I am saved by grace and faith in Christ. I am saved by how the Holy Bible tells humans how to be saved.
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Originally posted by @rajk999How do you know I don’t follow Christ’s commandments? I just recognize that “good works” are not a result of my own effort but of God’s indwelt Holy Spirit within me.
Brother? I'm not your brother. Not earthly neither spiritually.
My brothers in Christ follow Christ's commandments.
And what did Christ say were the two greatest commandments? Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
How does one accomplish the first of these commandments? Frequent and regular reading of the Bible and prayer. And how does one accomplish the second of these commandments? You guessed it - frequent and regular reading of the Bible and prayer so one walks after the Spirit and not after the flesh!
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Originally posted by @rajk999So what does “everlasting life” and “saved” mean to you? And if believers live with God after their physical death (as Jesus said they did,) would they not be living in God’s home? And what is God’s home called? That’s right - Heaven!
Nothing about heaven there. It's your interpretation
Originally posted by @romans1009Nonsense.
So what does “everlasting life” and “saved” mean to you? And if believers live with God after their physical death (as Jesus said they did,) would they not be living in God’s home? And what is God’s home called? That’s right - Heaven!
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009There is an element of truth in this but let us remember that we are not suggesting that one actually becomes ever entirely righteous. One always remains a sinner. Rather, we have to actively reduce our vices.
So many atheists and even Christians foolishly think they become righteous through their own efforts. It’s so silly!
Get and stay in God’s Word and in sincere prayer and let the indwelt Holy Spirit do His work! Stop trying to be righteous by your own efforts...can’t be done!
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009You are another mouth worshipper.
How do you know I don’t follow Christ’s commandments? I just recognize that “good works” are not a result of my own effort but of God’s indwelt Holy Spirit within me.
And what did Christ say were the two greatest commandments? Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
How does one accomp ...[text shortened]... d regular reading of the Bible and prayer so one walks after the Spirit and not after the flesh!
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @rajk999OK, I feel like this is purely semantics. But I get it. It's OK.
I did not say that there is no heaven
I said that people don't go there. The Kingdom of God is another place. Nobody is certain but I would put my money on a place called the New Jerusalem.
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Originally posted by @fmfAtheists associate themselves with Christianity and the Bible and like to tell Christians how to live. All I was saying is the most important thing to a Christian is being righteous, or in right standing, with God, and the atheist’s pursuit of morality and good works will never accomplish that because good works is not how one becomes righteous (in right standing with God.)
You said something utterly nonsensical about atheists by seeking to associate them with your supernatural definition of "righteousness". Just pointing it out. Atheists are not superstitious about morality.
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Originally posted by @fmfI was referring to the Biblical definition of righteousness, which atheists can never accomplish because good works do not make one righteous by the Biblical definition - only belief and faith in Jesus Christ does!
They are atheists. What does your "Biblical definition" have to do with them? They are able to be righteous through their own efforts because they are the only efforts that they can make.