06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleI did not say that there is no heaven
This is just one verse. There are others like it.
He seems to clearly be talking about going to a literal heaven.
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least str ...[text shortened]... :29-33)
How do you make sense of the idea that there is no heaven in the face of these texts?
I said that people don't go there. The Kingdom of God is another place. Nobody is certain but I would put my money on a place called the New Jerusalem.
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Originally posted by @rajk999What do you think eternal life represents in John 3:16?
First of all the Bible never said anything about anyone getting into heaven. Neither did I. This heaven going nonsense is just another one of your false church doctrines that you swallow.
Christ preached good works, and those who practice it will enter the Kingdom of God.
You will find nowhere that Christ spoke of any of these issues which you thin ...[text shortened]... sensical garbage questions and issues designed to avoid doing good works and living righteously.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
What do you think “saved” refers to in Romans 10:9?
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
<Christ preached good works, and those who practice it will enter the Kingdom of God.>
Christ preached believing on Him and seeking the Kingdom of God. Good works are a manifestation of the indwelt Holy Spirit working to change a believer’s heart and mind, and, consequently, his or her actions.
<- doing good works on their own strength - NOTHING
- peoples good works are filthy rags - NOTHING>
You’re not familiar with Isaiah and Ephesians?
<- how many good works - NOTHING>
That’s my point! A just God would not set good works as the criteria for getting into heaven without specifying how many good works are needed.
<Plus all the others.. all nonsensical garbage questions and issues designed to avoid doing good works and living righteously.>
Not at all. One who is in God’s Word on a frequent and regular basis and praying with a sincere and contrite heart on a frequent and regular basis will do good works as easily as breathing because he or she will be led by God’s indwelt Holy Spirit.
Your problem seems to be that you either don’t understand believers have God’s Holy Spirit indwelling them or you don’t understand the power of God’s Holy Spirit.
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Be careful. You might end up on the left side.
What do you think eternal life represents in John 3:16?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
What do you think “saved” refers to in Romans 10:9?
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart tha ...[text shortened]... s have God’s Holy Spirit indwelling them or you don’t understand the power of God’s Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by @romans1009Sheep don't take advice from goats.
So many atheists and even Christians foolishly think they become righteous through their own efforts. It’s so silly!
Get and stay in God’s Word and in sincere prayer and let the indwelt Holy Spirit do His work! Stop trying to be righteous by your own efforts...can’t be done!
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Originally posted by @rajk999Is this supposed to be a quip about sheep and goats?
Be careful. You might end up on the left side.
You don’t seem to understand that it is God’s Holy Spirit working in and through a Christian that makes the Christian righteous; not the Christian’s own effort.
That is why staying in God’s Word and prayer is so important - to be led by God’s Holy Spirit, you’ve got to be in tune and in sync with God’s Holy Spirit.
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Originally posted by @rajk999You’re still foolishly relying on your own effort to get you into heaven? Good luck with that!
Sheep don't take advice from goats.
And how is reading God’s Word on a frequent and regular basis and regularly praying with a sincere and contrite heart not good advice?
Originally posted by @romans1009Into heaven? Did Jesus say anyone is going There?
You’re still foolishly relying on your own effort to get you into heaven? Good luck with that!
And how is reading God’s Word on a frequent and regular basis and regularly praying with a sincere and contrite heart not good advice?
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Originally posted by @rajk999So you think you are qualified to judge whether someone is a Christian? You think you know their heart? You think you know who’s going to heaven and who is not?
Sheep don't take advice from goats.
Good grief, brother. Your ego and pride appear to be genuine stumbling blocks in your faith journey.
Originally posted by @romans1009Atheists don't believe in your version of your god figure [or any version, in fact] so they do not subscribe to your convoluted definition of "righteous". Obviously, the only efforts to live morally sound lives that atheists can make are their own efforts.
So many atheists and even Christians foolishly think they become righteous through their own efforts. It’s so silly!
Originally posted by @romans1009Are you qualified to have already declared yourself "saved" by your god figure?
So you think you are qualified to judge whether someone is a Christian?
Originally posted by @romans1009Good advice comes from Christ... do good works. Those who do it will be on the right side.
You’re still foolishly relying on your own effort to get you into heaven? Good luck with that!
And how is reading God’s Word on a frequent and regular basis and regularly praying with a sincere and contrite heart not good advice?
Sheep don't follow goats
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Originally posted by @rajk999Read John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 and let me know how you interpret “everlasting life” and “saved.” And if believers live with God after their physical death (and they do,) they will be living with God in His home - Heaven!
Into heaven? Did Jesus say anyone is going There?
Originally posted by @romans1009Brother? I'm not your brother. Not earthly neither spiritually.
So you think you are qualified to judge whether someone is a Christian? You think you know their heart? You think you know who’s going to heaven and who is not?
Good grief, brother. Your ego and pride appear to be genuine stumbling blocks in your faith journey.
My brothers in Christ follow Christ's commandments.