01 Nov 11
Originally posted by no1marauderWhy would you reward teams that won't join conferences? I much rather see a team with a loss like Oklahoma (but plays 5 or 6 top 25 teams teams) then a team like Boise who could go undefeated but plays one or two top 25 games.
Sure and an independent with one loss could be passed over for a conference champ with 2 or 3 losses.
There are hardly any independents; it's down to Notre Dame, the service academies and BYU. Money seems to be the biggest factor in joining a conference.
Leaving two spots to mid majors/independents seems a reasonable way to reward teams that aren't in the big money conferences (they all can't be).
We need to create a system where teams are rewarded for playing tough schedules. The LSU- Alabama loser definitely should be in a playoff over any independent. Besides being in the nations toughest conference LSU thrashed Oregon on a neutral field and Alabama smakced around Penn State on the road . Teams in weak conferences and to a certain extent independents get to hand pick their schedule and their record should be looked out in that light. Teams in major conference often have to play ranked teams three or four weeks in a row. The attrition factor is huge look what joining a conference did to teams like Utah and Colorado.
01 Nov 11
Originally posted by quackquackIn case you missed it, Boise State whipped Georgia which is currently tied for the lead in the East Division of the SEC and has a decent chance of being in the SEC Title game. And Boise State is in a conference; a conference who's champion beat the Big Ten champion in the Rose Bowl last year and smashed Alabama in the Sugar two years ago.
Why would you reward teams that won't join conferences? I much rather see a team with a loss like Oklahoma (but plays 5 or 6 top 25 teams teams) then a team like Boise who could go undefeated but plays one or two top 25 games.
We need to create a system where teams are rewarded for playing tough schedules. The LSU- Alabama loser definitely should b ...[text shortened]... he attrition factor is huge look what joining a conference did to teams like Utah and Colorado.
After Saturday, we'll know who would win an LSU-Alabama game. There is no need for another one. If there are no other undefeated teams, Boise State should finally get their BCS Championship shot - they've been ranked in the top five all year.
01 Nov 11
Originally posted by no1marauderWhat about if University of Houston is undefeated?
In case you missed it, Boise State whipped Georgia which is currently tied for the lead in the East Division of the SEC and has a decent chance of being in the SEC Title game. And Boise State is in a conference; a conference who's champion beat the Big Ten champion in the Rose Bowl last year and smashed Alabama in the Sugar two years ago.
A ...[text shortened]... hould finally get their BCS Championship shot - they've been ranked in the top five all year.
Case Keenum and company want recognition too.
01 Nov 11
Originally posted by shortcircuitThat's the beauty of my playoff system; they'd get a shot. They might even be a 6th seed. They'd be a fun team to watch against a Stanford or Oklahoma State in a quarter final.
What about if University of Houston is undefeated?
Case Keenum and company want recognition too.
To some extent, Houston is in the same situation that Boise State was in 5 years ago. Boise has paid their dues, racked up some impressive wins against big time competition (Oklahoma, Oregon, Georgia, etc. etc.) and they are still on the outside looking in unless they get a lot of breaks.
02 Nov 11
Originally posted by no1marauderStanford vs Houston.... the "true" Air Bowl!!
That's the beauty of my playoff system; they'd get a shot. They might even be a 6th seed. They'd be a fun team to watch against a Stanford or Oklahoma State in a quarter final.
To some extent, Houston is in the same situation that Boise State was in 5 years ago. Boise has paid their dues, racked up some impressive wins against big time co ...[text shortened]... gia, etc. etc.) and they are still on the outside looking in unless they get a lot of breaks.
I think Stanford is the better team and Luck the better QB, but the ball would be flying.
02 Nov 11
Originally posted by no1marauderBoise's schedule is a complete joke. They play basically one game against Georgia and even that game is very overrated. Georgia does not play Alabama or LSU (the two best teams in their conference) and lost to South Carolina the best team in their division. If we reward teams by having an opportunity to play for national championship or if we have playoff teams that play the best teams each week should be rewarded over teams that don't. I'd put all of the following teams because of their willingness to play tough schedules over one loss teams with a joke of a schedule: Oklahoma, OSU, LSU, Alabama, Stanford, Oregon. The sport should rewarded top conference who their tough schedule instead of putting in a team who just does not play competition like Boise.
In case you missed it, Boise State whipped Georgia which is currently tied for the lead in the East Division of the SEC and has a decent chance of being in the SEC Title game. And Boise State is in a conference; a conference who's champion beat the Big Ten champion in the Rose Bowl last year and smashed Alabama in the Sugar two years ago.
A ...[text shortened]... hould finally get their BCS Championship shot - they've been ranked in the top five all year.
02 Nov 11
Originally posted by quackquackActually, I should correct what I said before: Georgia did not play three top SEC teams (Alabama, LSU and Arkansas) and lost to the fourth best team South Carolina. If Boise plays one game against the 5th best team in the conference it certainly does not deserve consideration for title hopes. The discussion of what Boise did 5 years ago is as irrelevant as discussing what Ohio State did under Woody Hayes or USC did when OJ Simpson was their tailback.
Boise's schedule is a complete joke. They play basically one game against Georgia and even that game is very overrated. Georgia does not play Alabama or LSU (the two best teams in their conference) and lost to South Carolina the best team in their division. If we reward teams by having an opportunity to play for national championship or if we have pla ...[text shortened]... ir tough schedule instead of putting in a team who just does not play competition like Boise.
02 Nov 11
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Originally posted by quackquackYou've been running this suck for 3 years here undeterred as mid-major after mid-major wins bowl games against teams with supposedly "tough" schedule. You are the joke.
Actually, I should correct what I said before: Georgia did not play three top SEC teams (Alabama, LSU and Arkansas) and lost to the fourth best team South Carolina. If Boise plays one game against the 5th best team in the conference it certainly does not deserve consideration for title hopes. The discussion of what Boise did 5 years ago is as irrelevan ...[text shortened]... discussing what Ohio State did under Woody Hayes or USC did when OJ Simpson was their tailback.
At present, the Sagarin Computer rankings rate Boise State's schedule the 31st toughest in the country. Alabama's is 39th; Stanford's 53rd. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm?loc=interstitialskip
02 Nov 11
Originally posted by no1marauderGIGO. Boise's schedule is a joke and you can find someone who will rank anyone anywhere. The first ranking I found had Boise's strnegth of schedule at 48 (right between RIce and Illinois). As one would expect Alabama and LSU were ranked higher. http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team. Rather than argue algorithms since they are not available, lets look at this logically.
You've been running this suck for 3 years here undeterred as mid-major after mid-major wins bowl games against teams with supposedly "tough" schedule. You are the joke.
At present, the Sagarin Computer rankings rate Boise State's schedule the 31st toughest in the country. Alabama's is 39th; Stanford's 53rd. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm?loc=interstitialskip
Alabama besides playing in the top conference in the nation beat the only big 10 team with no conference losses on the road and beat Arkansas (who despite that loss is still #7 in the BCS). Both teams are ranked ahead of Georgia. Of course they play other games like LSU (the toughest team you could possibly schedule) and Auburn also a ranked team. Plus possibly the SEC championship game. Let's get back to reality because no one believe's Alabama's schedule is a joke like Boise's. LSU plays a team that is ranked virtually every week. Oregon was ranked #3 at the time they played on a neutural site. MSU was #25, WVA was #16, Fl was #17, Auburn was #20. Alabama is #2 Arkansas is #7. Even if you take current rrankings LSU plays the #2, the #7 and already beat the #8 and #24. Plus a possible SEC title game.
03 Nov 11
Okay, so right now, my analysis:
1)The loser of 'Bama-LSU is out. The winner is probably in the title game.
2) If Ok State and Stanford run the table you have a real argument on your hands. I think Stanford is the better team, but if OK St beats Oklahoma (who might be the best team in the country talent-wise), it's tough to keep them out.
3) For Boise St to make it, they need Stanford, OK State, Oklahoma and Oregon (Arkansas will lose at LSU) to all lose. A one loss Oklahoma who beats OK St in the final week will get the nod over Boise, as will a one loss Oregon team that beat Stanford.
4) Oklahoma makes the title game, IMO, if they run the table and Stanford loses to Oregon.
03 Nov 11
Originally posted by sh76Three is no way Oklahoma State gets by Oklahoma. Stanford should run the tables and go to the NCG. Boise State, no matter your opinion, is a stepchild even though they should win out as well.
Okay, so right now, my analysis:
1)The loser of 'Bama-LSU is out. The winner is probably in the title game.
2) If Ok State and Stanford run the table you have a real argument on your hands. I think Stanford is the better team, but if OK St beats Oklahoma (who might be the best team in the country talent-wise), it's tough to keep them out.
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4) Oklahoma makes the title game, IMO, if they run the table and Stanford loses to Oregon.
My guess is LSU vs. Stanford.
03 Nov 11
Originally posted by whodeyThere you have it.
Three is no way Oklahoma State gets by Oklahoma. Stanford should run the tables and go to the NCG. Boise State, no matter your opinion, is a stepchild even though they should win out as well.
My guess is LSU vs. Stanford.
The NCG will be Alabama vs Oklahoma State as called by whodey.
03 Nov 11
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Originally posted by sh76If Boise State gets screwed as you think they will, I hope they will get a BCS bowl game against the loser of Alabama-LSU.
Okay, so right now, my analysis:
1)The loser of 'Bama-LSU is out. The winner is probably in the title game.
2) If Ok State and Stanford run the table you have a real argument on your hands. I think Stanford is the better team, but if OK St beats Oklahoma (who might be the best team in the country talent-wise), it's tough to keep them out.
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4) Oklahoma makes the title game, IMO, if they run the table and Stanford loses to Oregon.
If they win that, it will be increasingly harder in the future to arbitrarily blank them out of the National Championship game.
Of course that assumes the Broncos finish undefeated; they still have a dangerous TCU team to play.
03 Nov 11
Originally posted by no1marauderI'll take the LSU-Alabama loser heads up against Boise State for as much as you want to wager.
If Boise State gets screwed as you think they will, I hope they will get a BCS bowl game against the loser of Alabama-LSU.
If they win that, it will be increasingly harder in the future to arbitrarily blank them out of the National Championship game.
Of course that assumes the Broncos finish undefeated; they still have a dangerous TCU team to play.
03 Nov 11
Originally posted by shortcircuitWe'll see what happens and how the season plays out. I might be interested; nobody thought Utah was going to manhandle Alabama after they lost the SEC title game to Florida a few years ago.
I'll take the LSU-Alabama loser heads up against Boise State for as much as you want to wager.