21 Jul 08
Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksI'm not sure but except for his injury filled 2004 season, he's won more than 12 games every year since 1995 averaging about 16 wins per year. He makes the same as Carlos Zambrano (48 wins the last 3 years v. Petitte's 46) and a little more than Mike Hampton (34 wins the last 3 years). Randy Johnson makes over $15 million a year and Petitte is certainly a better pitcher (at least in New York). Perhaps in another locale he's make slightly less but he's somewhere in the general area in comparison to other pitchers of his caliber (he's also 18-7 in the post season).
I think we agree on a lot about Bernie but I do think it is a little bit like the problem they are having in Green Bay. There comes a point when the incumbant is better head to head than the potential replacement but the team may for good reason want to move on anyway.
I think the Yankees had Bernie Williams on their roster they would pay him e ...[text shortened]... ral manager had in mind).
You really think Andy Pettitte is worth $16M on the open market?
21 Jul 08
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Randy Johnson gets paid for his 4 past Cy Youngs and is clearly overpaid. He will not get another contract like this.
At this point in their career Pettitte is not close to being the pitcher Zambrano (under 3 ERA). If all three were free agents right now, the only one who would make more money than they currently get is Zambrano.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksFrom 2005-07, Zambrano pitched 653 Innings and gave up 257 Earned Runs; Petitte has 652 IP and 256 ER. Yeah, not even close.
Randy Johnson gets paid for his 4 past Cy Youngs and is clearly overpaid. He will not get another contract like this.
At this point in their career Pettitte is not close to being the pitcher Zambrano (under 3 ERA). If all three were free agents right now, the only one who would make more money than they currently get is Zambrano.
Even at that, Zambrano got a 5 yr $91.5 million dollar deal last August. http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070817&content_id=2153723&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc Petitte signed a one year $16 million dollar contract. Looking at Zambrano's contract (and Barry Zito's 7 year, $126 million deal), Petitte doesn't seem overcompensated.
21 Jul 08
Pettitte now has a .386 ERA a 1.29 WHIP. Last year he had a 4.05, the year before he had a 4.20, Zambrano ERA now is 2.98, had a 3.95 ERA last year and a 3.41 ERA the year before. Zambrano is MUCH better, 9 years younger and not named in the Mitchell Report. They are simply not equivalent or close to equivalent at this point in their career.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksPetitte still has one more win that the "great" Zambrano, who happens to be pitching on a team in first place. As far as ERA, Zambrano has the luxury of pitching in a non-DH league. As far as their value THIS YEAR (that's all Petitte is getting paid for), they are about equal. Petitte tends to pitch better down the stretch, too. Zambrano's record since June 2 is 2-3 plus he spent some time on the DL.
Pettitte now has a .386 ERA a 1.29 WHIP. Last year he had a 4.05, the year before he had a 4.20, Zambrano ERA now is 2.98, had a 3.95 ERA last year and a 3.41 ERA the year before. Zambrano is MUCH better, 9 years younger and not named in the Mitchell Report. They are simply not equivalent or close to equivalent at this point in their career.
21 Jul 08
Zambrano pitches in Wrigley and has almost a full point less on his ERA this year. The NL's ERA also is lower THIS year. Pettitte has Marino Rivera as a closer an Jaba as a set up man so it is not like he was not put in a good situation to win. You couldn't find a GM on planet earth who would prefer to have Pettitte over Zambrano.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by no1marauderIn September last year, Cubs fans were booing Big Fat Z out of Wrigley for his poor play down the stretch.
Petitte tends to pitch better down the stretch, too. Zambrano's record since June 2 is 2-3 plus he spent some time on the DL.
The one thing that does set Zambrano apart from Pettitte is his big bat. Z is a dangerous hitter.
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksYes, the NL has a lower ERA. What a surprise since the AL has the DH. The AL drubbed the NL in inter league play again this year, however. The lineups are tougher in the AL, period.
Zambrano pitches in Wrigley and has almost a full point less on his ERA this year. The NL's ERA also is lower THIS year. Pettitte has Marino Rivera as a closer an Jaba as a set up man so it is not like he was not put in a good situation to win. You couldn't find a GM on planet earth who would prefer to have Pettitte over Zambrano.
Jaba hasn't been a set up man for a couple of months now; you need to update your info.
YOUR claim was that Petitte is overpaid THIS YEAR; what Zambrano's age or the Mitchell report has to do with that is beyond me. It seems to me a starting pitcher virtually certain to win at least 15 games is worth $16 million in this market.
Just heard a stat on WFAN; Andy Petitte has the best winning percentage in the history of baseball after the All Star break. And he was 11-3 last year after the break. That should be worth something.
21 Jul 08
Right now if you had to choose between Pettitte between a 36 year old pitcher (who use perfromance enhancing drugs) with a 3.86 ERA or a Zambrano a 27 year old pitcher with a 2.98 ERA you'd be institutionalized if you thought Pettitte was a better signing. Zambrano has been better each of the past two years also and any neutral analysis of the stats shows it is not close.
Fantasy baseball may be stupid but it takes stats and ranks players; this year Zambrano has been the 107th best player and Pettitte the 171st best player.
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by darvlayBill James would not expect a 36 year old who has been consistently out pitched by a 27 year old for each of the last two and a half years to suddenly turn everything around and be better. I actually like Pettitte alot as a third starter on a playoff team (as he would be in Boston, Arizona, Anahiem or Milwaukee to name a few teams). Zambrano is an ace.
Bill James would spit in your face if he read this.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksYour "ace" has one won exactly one more game over the last 3 1/2 years than Petitte. Your "ace" has managed to win 2 games in the last 6 weeks.
Bill James would not expect a 36 year old who has been consistently out pitched by a 27 year old for each of the last two and a half years to suddenly turn everything around and be better. I actually like Pettitte alot as a third starter on a playoff team (as he would be in Boston, Arizona, Anahiem or Milwaukee to name a few teams). Zambrano is an ace.
There's no reasoning with some people on this site; your initial claim that Petitte is overpaid in comparison to other pitchers has been shown to be laughably incorrect. Deal with it. I'll still take a proven veteran with an unmatched record of success down the stretch.
22 Jul 08
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Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksFantasy baseball doesn't just think that you're stupid, it knows that you're stupid.
Right now if you had to choose between Pettitte between a 36 year old pitcher (who use perfromance enhancing drugs) with a 3.86 ERA or a Zambrano a 27 year old pitcher with a 2.98 ERA you'd be institutionalized if you thought Pettitte was a better signing. Zambrano has been better each of the past two years also and any neutral analysis of the st ...[text shortened]... players; this year Zambrano has been the 107th best player and Pettitte the 171st best player.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by no1marauderFirst of all besides being wrong and obnoxious (to hide your ignorance) I am a Yankee fan and I therefore root for Pettitte and not Zambrano. But win totals are not the only measure of pitchers. Zambrano's ERA is a full run better this year; it was better last year and it was better the year before when both were in the NL. At no point in his career was Pettitte ever the best pitcher on his team and any team that signed him now as ace would be a horrible staff. Zambrano, with an ERA under 3 is an ace.
Your "ace" has one won exactly one more game over the last 3 1/2 years than Petitte. Your "ace" has managed to win 2 games in the last 6 weeks.
There's no reasoning with some people on this site; your initial claim that Petitte is overpaid in comparison to other pitchers has been shown to be laughably incorrect. Deal with it. I'll still take a proven veteran with an unmatched record of success down the stretch.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by myteamtrulystinksIf you have a "first of all," should there not be a "second" or "next" or ""finally?" Or are just showing one of the top signs of frustration, which, by the way, is saying "first of all."
First of all besides being wrong and obnoxious (to hide your ignorance) I am a Yankee fan and I therefore root for Pettitte and not Zambrano. But win totals are not the only measure of pitchers. Zambrano's ERA is a full run better this year; it was better last year and it was better the year before when both were in the NL. At no point in his ca ...[text shortened]... that signed him now as ace would be a horrible staff. Zambrano, with an ERA under 3 is an ace.