21 Jul 07
Originally posted by spurs73See what you think of those decisions.See if you think Leonard was offside also when he took the intercept.Bad decisions spoil the game .
i am gona watch the whole match again tonight at 9.00pm. But you are right, cannt wait for the world cup
Oh and good to see beautiful weather for rugby lol
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by boarmanPretty Happy good Sunday ;-) esp after the hangover brunch cure..
No,not really ,your precious All Blacks are a bit scared though.
Be a sad day in NZ on Sunday LOL
I love the close ones..
The ref missed a few on each side inc ball stealing aussie and he named the wrong player in an incident picking 12 who wasn't anywhere near the ball at all.. Also The Aussie front row collapsed constantly and got pinged once.. total twit but a fair twit and no way did he decide the result.
You must agree though that 3 minute scrums must go! That's howlong this ref took to choreograph each scrum 😛 NOT good enough IRB!! ðŸ˜
Tony Woodcock was a gem. Robinson and Jack kept the blacks moving the whole time...powerful stuff from them.
McCaw and Mortlock had a big cuddle out the back and traded compliments in a sporting fashion... Seriously the sporting spirit between the two teams after the game was tremendous. .. tipped by a security guard from Eden Park changing area. Nothing is secret in this country.
The preliminaries are done... now its on with the business proper..
Our Cup squad was announced today except one to be named later.
Weepu is out but otherwise no surprises.
Our guys are talking about being close to clicking into an overdrive gear, but we haven't seen it yet. If the ABs can only play that well they won't bring home the cup.
PS Netball was a better result too...
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by Tirau DanI think every scrum engaged before the ref called it .
Pretty Happy good Sunday ;-) esp after the hangover brunch cure..
I love the close ones..
The ref missed a few on each side inc ball stealing aussie and he named the wrong player in an incident picking 12 who wasn't anywhere near the ball at all.. Also The Aussie front row collapsed constantly and got pinged once.. total twit but a fair twit and no way ...[text shortened]... only play that well they won't bring home the cup.
PS Netball was a better result too...
dunning got pinned for not gripping ,the rest of the times the footing was slipping ,not easy to pack stable scrums in those conditions.
So if Leonard wasnt offside then ha ha ----result unconclusive try awarded 5 points
Mortlock non high tackle ---result 3 points
Ashley Cooper penalised for dropping ball over sponsors board when no quick throw could of been taken anyway-----result 3 points
11 points that should not of been awarded to the AB'S changes the game a bit i say
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by boarmanThe rotund one slipped at "every scrum" I don't believe it for a second I never went down like that ever... it was tactic to slow the game down al la pom fashion and ref loved it.
I think every scrum engaged before the ref called it .
dunning got pinned for not gripping ,the rest of the times the footing was slipping ,not easy to pack stable scrums in those conditions.
So if Leonard wasnt offside then ha ha ----result unconclusive try awarded 5 points
Mortlock non high tackle ---result 3 points
Ashley Cooper penalised for drop ...[text shortened]... lt 3 points
11 points that should not of been awarded to the AB'S changes the game a bit i say
Scrums now take 3 times longer than in the 70's have less power, less tactics and unfortunately now have no meaning at all.
The ref and touch judge were close at hand with a full view.. the replay showed the ref glancing at the touch judge who kept his flag down. Leonard who was very quick away. Woodcock is a quiet achiever type.. you knew he scored the second he came up.. one replay showed his shoulder well over the line the other show that his body was grounded in a position the ball would have been down, he is entitled to his excellent try.
The Head high was total northern hemisphere joke and that is what McCaw was commiserating with Mortlock after the game... both were laughing and so am I.. made my Sunday.. thems the breaks.
23 Jul 07
Originally posted by Tirau Danwith the aussies behind on the scoreboard they didnt want to slow play down .
The rotund one slipped at "every scrum" I don't believe it for a second I never went down like that ever... it was tactic to slow the game down al la pom fashion and ref loved it.
Scrums now take 3 times longer than in the 70's have less power, less tactics and unfortunately now have no meaning at all.
The ref and touch judge were close at hand with ...[text shortened]... tlock after the game... both were laughing and so am I.. made my Sunday.. thems the breaks.
With the try the rules state unless conclusive you can not award the try and at no time did you see the ball grounded,Latham says he stopped the ball hitting the ground ,so based on replays the try should not of been awarded but a 5 metre scum ,Which they probably would off scored from .Its not sour grapes,just want the refs,linesman,video ref to get it right .
I will agree with you about the scrums ,i think that the officials are thinking they have a duty of care (thats what i was told when i started my refs course)so they make sure everything seems ok and they are shown to be doing the right thing.I also think we need to bring back the rucking as you see a lot of players lying on the ball(McCaw and Smith are good examples.
Yeah like i said you guys played better for the entire 80 mins ,just dont like games decided by some bloke in the middle making stupid decisions.
World Cup will be a great spectacle.
23 Jul 07
Originally posted by boarmanThe only thing the ref was unclear about was whether it was over the line I watched it in Auckland and don't have the tape here now but I'm sure the ref asked the video ref was he over the line?.. the replayed showed him over the line... the video ref said "you may award the try".. good enough for me. My interpretation was that the ref was satisfied the ball was down but unsure about the line.. I could be wrong.. it looked down to me and Latham did have a good laugh afterwards with Woodcock but Woodcock isn't the sort of guy to have you on on such matters..he was certain and I'm not sure but the rule always used to say "That if the ref was unsure about an apparent grounding claimed by the attacking player he must award it certainly was prior to the video ref...same as close to the ground catches in cricket.
with the aussies behind on the scoreboard they didnt want to slow play down .
With the try the rules state unless conclusive you can not award the try and at no time did you see the ball grounded,Latham says he stopped the ball hitting the ground ,so based on replays the try should not of been awarded but a 5 metre scum ,Which they probably would off scored ...[text shortened]... cided by some bloke in the middle making stupid decisions.
World Cup will be a great spectacle.
Looking forward to the world cup.. who's getting in and out over the ditch?? Here we have Greg Sommerville on the mend and has been given until the 14th August to pass a fitness test to claim his spot in the wc squad.
Marty Hollah has been left out of the squad all together as they are not taking a specialist open side flanker reserve BUT he's been told that he will be flown straight to Paris for first 15 duty is McCaw is injured. That to me is cheating on the part of the AB management and I hate it. Hollah should go..he's better than McCaw anyway. To go with only Chris Masoe as back up for all three loose positions is a sin!
23 Jul 07
Originally posted by Tirau DanI agree with your belief as to the rules before the video ref ,but these days it states that there must be conclusive evidence as to the try being awarded.If as you say the ref was satisfied the ball was done he must of seen it placed and known if it was over the line or not if he saw it grounded.Watch the tape and you will see Woodcock with a wry smile on his face afterwards.Anyway its over now .
The only thing the ref was unclear about was whether it was over the line I watched it in Auckland and don't have the tape here now but I'm sure the ref asked the video ref was he over the line?.. the replayed showed him over the line... the video ref said "you may award the try".. good enough for me. My interpretation was that the ref was satisfied the b ...[text shortened]... nyway. To go with only Chris Masoe as back up for all three loose positions is a sin!
Yeah Marty Hollah should be going in the squad he is a quality player,not as good as McCaw yet but give him time and he will be one of the AB'S greatest players of all time.
23 Jul 07
Before the game I was talking about Canterbury influence on the team being unsettling. As the NZ World Cup Squad sinks in thoughts go out to Piri Weepu whose manager says he is furious and desperately upset at being dropped. His family travel arrangements had been made for the trip to France... he was considered a dead cert. Ellis did nothing at all to warrant a place ahead of Weepu except being the Canterbury half back.
Piri can't be blamed if he takes an offer from an English Club next year.
He'll be sifting offers already.
23 Jul 07
I did not see the match so can not comment on this try, however my question is do you think the video ref has improved things?
When they brought it in I thought - great no more controversy - no feet in touch missed no dropped balls over the line etc etc.
However quite quickly I found refs "going upstairs" for decisions that would never be given by video ref- most usually a mauling team going over. When before video everyone would have accepted the score.
I can't help thinking that the art of a ref being able to award a try on the player's initial reaction is being lost - and I have not seen a player yet who knows he has not scored celebrate immediately - a couple of seconds later maybe.
And even with the video ref there have been some howlers - one of the most recent was Johnny's infamous foot in touch on his Eng comeback game.
I also think benefit of the doubt seems to go with the attacking team more often than the defending - I believe it should always go to the defending team.
If it came up for vote I would get rid of the video ref.
24 Jul 07
Originally posted by Mat KelleyI would leave the video ref up there for the purpose of foul/inappropriate play adjudication by the authorities after the game including referee scrutiny.
I did not see the match so can not comment on this try, however my question is do you think the video ref has improved things?
When they brought it in I thought - great no more controversy - no feet in touch missed no dropped balls over the line etc etc.
However quite quickly I found refs "going upstairs" for decisions that would never be given by ...[text shortened]... lways go to the defending team.
If it came up for vote I would get rid of the video ref.
I wouldn't have the big screens playing the replays over and over again and I would have big fines for ref slagging during or after the match. There is a complaint procedure which should be made very transparent and tough.
I would like a ref assistant on the field with a flag running the refs blind side. I think it was mooted by one of the others earlier in the thread and the idea grew on me.
Boarman and Crowley have said many times that referee consistency and accuracy must improve in professional rugby; where I don't agree on ref's favouring certain players because of there stardom I do agree consistency and accuracy must improve and if it takes two refs on the field to achieve this then so be it.
We must bring back rucking and re-power the scrums and line outs. The game is getting slow and soft.
24 Jul 07
Originally posted by Tirau DanYeah i said about the blindside ref ,it would make things easier.
I would leave the video ref up there for the purpose of foul/inappropriate play adjudication by the authorities after the game including referee scrutiny.
I wouldn't have the big screens playing the replays over and over again and I would have big fines for ref slagging during or after the match. There is a complaint procedure which should be made very ...[text shortened]... bring back rucking and re-power the scrums and line outs. The game is getting slow and soft.
Im with you on the rucking and scrummaging going back to how it was .
While we are at it we can either decrease a field goal or penalty or increase the value of a try .A try of say 6 points would make teams a bit more keener to go for it ,although making the penalty and field goals worth only 2 points would put try scoring a priority again.
Weepu was very unlucky ,he was pretty good in the game over here.
24 Jul 07
I think points for tries and penalties are fair enough - you have to make being caught hurt - and when they increased a goal to 7 points I think that struck the right balance. I would however drop the drop goal to 1 point - to be used only in case of emergency!
I am not convinced by a blindside ref - linesmen can intervene a lot - sometimes too much already - I will go back in the post and see what you guys have written about it - open mind and all that
25 Jul 07
Originally posted by Mat KelleyThere is no goal worth 7 points
I think points for tries and penalties are fair enough - you have to make being caught hurt - and when they increased a goal to 7 points I think that struck the right balance. I would however drop the drop goal to 1 point - to be used only in case of emergency!
I am not convinced by a blindside ref - linesmen can intervene a lot - sometimes too much al ...[text shortened]... I will go back in the post and see what you guys have written about it - open mind and all that
Try is only worth the 5 points need the conversion to get the maximum 7 points.
A try should be worth more than 2 penalties ,to make teams pay for their consistent infringments(some of which are only to stop the opposing teams attack ) should (A) Warning (B) Penalty (C) Yellow Card (D) Red Card all for same player infringing ,i know this is what one of our refs does in our local comp.