A message from a Lebanese journalist .....

Originally posted by ivanhoe
By independent I meant that he can write what he considers appropiate. He can write what he sees as the truth, not what some government or some organisation sees as the truth.

but if he writes for an Israeli based firm:
1)it highly likely that any articles for them would have to be in line with what that Israeli organisation sees as th etruth
2) in order to work for an Israeli based news network then it is reasonable to assume that his personal views match theirs. Therefore anything he writes even if not for this news group is likely subject to the same slant.

I still state that your original claim, that this journalist is unbiased on the subject in the article, is highly doubtful

Originally posted by ivanhoe
By independent I meant that he can write what he considers appropiate. He can write what he sees as the truth, not what some government or some organisation sees as the truth.

If you really have looked at the MeNA website, you'd realise that's utterly naive.

Who owns MeNA? Good luck finding out.

Originally posted by Philodor
I would guess that the 40% non-muslim population of Lebanon are pretty sick at the antics of the followers of the prophet, especially of Hezbollah without whose presence they would be left in peace.

As always, when it comes to facts, your post is woefully lacking.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0728/p06s01-wome.html

Originally posted by ivanhoe
What were the results of your research ?

That M Behe has a consistent and clear agenda. That he sees utterly nothing wrong in mixing fact and opinion. That there is absolutely no attempt at balance in his pieces.

I may throw in some examples later, if I can be bothered to translate. But really, MeNA's front page tells you everything you need to know.

Originally posted by belgianfreak
but if he writes for an Israeli based firm:
1)it highly likely that any articles for them would have to be in line with what that Israeli organisation sees as th etruth
2) in order to work for an Israeli based news network then it is reasonable to assume that his personal views match theirs. Therefore anything he writes even if not for this news group ...[text shortened]... iginal claim, that this journalist is unbiased on the subject in the article, is highly doubtful

Funny how you are suddenly seized with the need to question a source when it is critical of an Islamic organisation.

There have been many citations from potentially biased sources by left-wingers on the other side in this debate, but I have not noticed your intervention in those cases.

Originally posted by Philodor
Funny how you are suddenly seized with the need to question a source when it is critical of an Islamic organisation.

There have been many citations from potentially biased sources by left-wingers on the other side in this debate, but I have not noticed your intervention in those cases.

I've not been involved in the other threads. If saw someone claiming that someone who works for al jazeera were unbiased just because he were Israeli I'd say exactly the same

Originally posted by belgianfreak
but if he writes for an Israeli based firm:
1)it highly likely that any articles for them would have to be in line with what that Israeli organisation sees as th etruth
2) in order to work for an Israeli based news network then it is reasonable to assume that his personal views match theirs. Therefore anything he writes even if not for this news group ...[text shortened]... iginal claim, that this journalist is unbiased on the subject in the article, is highly doubtful

I checked but I did not claim he was "unbiased".

The rest of your post is interesting, but it is also speculative, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]millerman: "Guess what, Metula News Agency is based in Northern Israel, ... "

Meaning what ?

millerman: "Now i'm not saying he is Israeli, .... "

.... and what if he is ?

millerman: " ..... but also it is not clear whether the writer is a Lebanese patriot."

... and what if he isn't ?

millerman: "Please confirm his ...[text shortened]... as a major bearing on the credibility of the article you posted."

I see .......[/b]

Don't put my post in quotes and answer them with silly no answers ivanhoe,

I've seen your arguments and they are pathetic.

If you want to rip my thread to bits and insert comments, make them decent will you.

Originally posted by General Putzer
As usual marauder claims everything he doesn't like is propaganda.....anything in the article that wasn't true?

What do you expect from an supporter and appeaser of every Islamic terrorist group on the planet.

Originally posted by dottewell
If you really have looked at the MeNA website, you'd realise that's utterly naive.

Who owns MeNA? Good luck finding out.

WHOIS Record For
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Originally posted by slimjim
What do you expect from an supporter and appeaser of every Islamic terrorist group on the planet.

I'm not a supporter of any terrorist group.

All i want to know is, Is the author of this article is a lebonese citizen as suggested in the thread?. If he is then i can read the article in an impartial way, if he is Isreali then i would have too be very sceptical of the article and it's contents.

No one seems to have proved he is Lebonese so this thread is pointless and very lazily posted on this forum to give a very biased view to what the creator of this thread holds......

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I checked but I did not claim he was "unbiased".

The rest of your post is interesting, but it is also speculative, I'm afraid.

"This article is written by a Lebanese journalist, an independant journalist, not a Hezbollah sycophant, nor a Syrian one, nor an Iranian one, nor a lackey of the Lebanese establishment."

You choose the words Independant,

Exactly what does Independant mean in your words Ivanhoe?

Weak argument, very weak argument indeed.

Originally posted by awrightus
WHOIS Record For
menapress.com

domain: menapress.com
owner-name: senbel - Juffa - Elkoubi
owner-address: 7 rue Churchill
owner-address: 42221i
owner-address: Netanya
owner-address: Israel
admin-c: SG343-GANDI
tech-c: FG61-GANDI
bill-c: FG61-GANDI
nserver: server1.gribel.com 199.203.55.173
nserver: server2.gribel.com 199.203.55.174
reg_ ...[text shortened]... mail: 85ead65a56df621545a834b7165a5d48-fg61@contact.gandi.net
lastupdated: 2006-07-03 12:04:01

I think the agency HQ/business centre is in Luxembourg. Although I also read something about the Cayman Islands or some other such place that makes tracing ownership difficult.

Originally posted by dottewell
If you really have looked at the MeNA website, you'd realise that's utterly naive.

Who owns MeNA? Good luck finding out.

Mr.Dottewell,

What surprises me most is the fact that if someone posts information which is very damaging and negative for Israel you remain silent as an old grave, but when I post an article or other information that is negative for Hezbolla or Hamas you immediately jump on top of me and demand that I thoroughly research this information and the author in question. You insist on me checking out the journalist, the organisation he works for and I have to investigate the site where he publishes his articles. I have to find out the site owners, etc etc.

You attack me personally for posting information negative to anti-Semite fascists organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas and reprimand me for not enough mentioning Israel's wrongdoings. That is a reason for you to call my contributions "unbalanced" and even worse.

It is remarkable that you do not adress other debaters who are constantly and one-sidedly attacking and accusing Israel of criminal actions and the most heinous crimes, while on the other side present Hezbollah as a respectable "liberation" organisation.

I decided to counterbalance these one-sided anti-Israel actions and lo and behold, Mr. Dottewell decides to react as if he was stung by a bee.

I feel quite honoured Mr. Dottewel, but why are you trying to subject me to your regime of "fairness" while at the same time you are failing to adress and reprimand my opponents in the same manner for being "not balanced" and not thoroughly researching the source of their information, its author, the organisation or the news agency he works for and the site he posts his articles and for not enough mentioning the heinous actions and crimes of Hezbollah ?

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Originally posted by slimjim
What do you expect from an supporter and appeaser of every Islamic terrorist group on the planet.

Do you ever get sick of writing these tiresome lies? Apparently not.