13 Aug 06
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Originally posted by millermanI explained this already.
"This article is written by a Lebanese journalist, an independant journalist, not a Hezbollah sycophant, nor a Syrian one, nor an Iranian one, nor a lackey of the Lebanese establishment."
You choose the words Independant,
Exactly what does Independant mean in your words Ivanhoe?
13 Aug 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou're busted Ivanhoe; you claimed this article was written by an "independent, Lebanese journalist" a claim which has been shown to be manifestly untrue. Of course, you now are personally attacking those who dare point out this fact. Your standard MO.
Mr.Dottewell,
What surprises me most is the fact that if someone posts information which is very damaging and negative for Israel you remain silent as an old grave, but when I post an article or other information that is negative for Hezbolla or Hamas you immediately jump on top of me and demand that I thoroughly research this information and the author ...[text shortened]... ticles and for not mentioning enough the heinous actions and crimes of Hezbollah ?
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13 Aug 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderI must have missed the part where someone showed that the author in question is not independent in the way I defined it. What's more I did not come across a proof of the fact that this journalist isn't Lebanese .... and if he wasn't Lebanese, that doesn't prove that he is not independent. It merely showed I made a mistake calling him a Lebanese, but untill then ....
You're busted Ivanhoe; you claimed this article was written by an "independent, Lebanese journalist" a claim which has been shown to be manifestly untrue. Of course, you now are personally attacking those who dare point out this fact. Your standard MO.
13 Aug 06
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Originally posted by dottewellDottewell: "That there is absolutely no attempt at balance in his pieces."
That M Behe has a consistent and clear agenda. That he sees utterly nothing wrong in mixing fact and opinion. That there is absolutely no attempt at balance in his pieces.
I may throw in some examples later, if I can be bothered to translate. But really, MeNA's front page tells you everything you need to know.
Ooooh dear .... the balance ..... according to Mr. Dottewell. I allready know what this entails I'm afraid
Dottewell: "MeNA's front page tells you everything you need to know ... "
...and this is ?
You are acting very mysteriously, Mr.Dottewel ..... You are suggesting a lot but you are failing to deliver the message ....
13 Aug 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThe way you define "independent" is unrelated to its common usage. And since it was YOU who claimed the "journalist" was Lebanese even though he is writing for an Israeli news agency. it is incumbent on you to present some evidence that this assertion is true. Furthermore, your claims as to his "independence" and Lebanese nationality were used to bolster the credibility of the dubious content of the article, included parts which you put in bold which claim that the "overwhelming majority" of Lebanese are happy with their country being invaded. Certainly their democratically elected leaders aren't saying that.
I must have missed the part where someone showed that the author in question is not independent in the way I defined it. What's more I did not come across a proof of the fact that this journalist isn't Lebanese .... and if he wasn't Lebanese, that doesn't prove that he is not independent. It merely showed I made a mistake calling him a Lebanese, but untill then ....
13 Aug 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeI'll let people look at the pieces, if they want, and judge for themselves. Unfortunately MeNA publish in French.
[b]Dottewell: "That there is absolutely no attempt at balance in his pieces."
Ooooh dear .... the balance ..... according to Mr. Dottewell. I allready know what this entails I'm afraid
Dottewell: "MeNA's front page tells you everything you need to know ... "
...and this is ?
You are acting very mysteriously, Mr.Dottewel ..... You are suggesting a lot but you are failing to deliver the message ....[/b]
The MeNA homepage (this is supposed to be a news agency site, folks) begins by describing Hezbollah as a "Trojan Horse" and explaining that they have been identified as a terrorist organisation.
It then says "MeNA will keep informing readers of the evolution of the situation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict".
On the right-hand side of the page is another news story headed "Aggression of the Hezbollah Lebanese". Underneath is a despatch from M Behe, who announces that the biggest air raid so far has taken place on the Shi'ite suburbs of Beirut. He mentions numerous "enormous" bombs being released. He assures us they were aiming at a building where Islamist leaders "would" have been.
13 Aug 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeIn that case then,
I must have missed the part where someone showed that the author in question is not independent in the way I defined it.
Let me trawl the net for Anti Israeli articles, saying how life is intolerable under the present Isralei regime, and how they wish the Israeli army in heavyhanded, immoral and should be disbanded as they the scurge of Israel and then let me attibute that article to a "Unbiased, Independent Israeli citizen" and take it from there.....
13 Aug 06
Originally posted by dottewellWhich facts ? You mean the "facts" produced by the "Beirut Center for Research and Information" ......
As always, when it comes to facts, your post is woefully lacking.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0728/p06s01-wome.html
By the way have you checked out the article's author, Nicholas Blanford .....
13 Aug 06
Originally posted by dottewellOther "headlines":
I'll let people look at the pieces, if they want, and judge for themselves. Unfortunately MeNA publish in French.
The MeNA homepage (this is supposed to be a news agency site, folks) begins by describing Hezbollah as a "Trojan Horse" and explaining that they have been identified as a terrorist organisation.
It then says "MeNA will keep informing read ...[text shortened]... assures us they were aiming at a building where Islamist leaders "would" have been.
-"The Daily Tribulations of a Jewish journalist in Paris"
-Three more Israeli soldiers dead (at the very bottom it says 70 Hizbollah soldiers died on the day in question)
-Hezbollah positions "burn in the desert"
-Israel reaches Litani in one day of fighting (25 soldiers killed)
13 Aug 06
Originally posted by no1marauderMarauder: "The way you define "independent" is unrelated to its common usage. The way you define "independent" is unrelated to its common usage."
The way you define "independent" is unrelated to its common usage. And since it was YOU who claimed the "journalist" was Lebanese even though he is writing for an Israeli news agency. it is incumbent on you to present some evidence that this assertion is true. Furthermore, your claims as to his "independence" and Lebanese nationality were used to bolste ...[text shortened]... untry being invaded. Certainly their democratically elected leaders aren't saying that.
Is it ? .... but I thought you didn't like bickering over words, marauder .... remember ?
Well, I must admit that you and Dottewell are doing an extremely good job at distracting from the content of the article and the facts, not the author's opinions and assessments, he presented in his article.
A wonderfull Red Herring I must say .... a wonderful attempt of poisoning the well, but alas .... let's continue this game ... show me the evidence of your claims.
... and please do not show me the results of a poll by the "Beirut Center for Research and Information".
13 Aug 06
Originally posted by dottewell... and ?
Other "headlines":
-"The Daily Tribulations of a Jewish journalist in Paris"
-Three more Israeli soldiers dead (at the very bottom it says 70 Hizbollah soldiers died on the day in question)
-Hezbollah positions "burn in the desert"
-Israel reaches Litani in one day of fighting (25 soldiers killed)