Originally posted by ivanhoeToo much attacking on your part and, once again, a complete lack of facts backing up anything you say.
Too much psycho-analyses, a lack of facts and the usual anti-US and anti-Israel bias make your hypothesis a good example of political speculation, which perfectly fits your own political agenda ...
Originally posted by MerkAnd whose fault is that there are Palestinian refuge camps in Lebanon for the last umpteen years, hmmmmm?
Or does the left only scream about Paleo refugee camps getting hit when its the Israelis doing it?
http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2007/05/terrorists_usin.php
The Lebanese are pounding a Paleo camp and nobody here has said a word. I find it hard to believe that you would be silent if the Joos were doing this exact same thing.
What say you? Would any ...[text shortened]... to pretend that you're not just wearing a pro-Palestinian mask to cover your anti-Israeli face?
It is always sad when people kill one another. Unresolved refugee situations do not tend to breed peace, do they?
WHOSE FAULT IS IT AGAIN?!?!?!?!
YOU WANT ME TO YELL LOUDER WHOSE FAULT it is?!?!?
Geez, I'm getting hoarse.
I'm on the right not the left, BTW.
Originally posted by spruce112358Merk seems to be a hit-and-run artist. You'll have to yell a little louder.
And whose fault is that there are Palestinian refuge camps in Lebanon for the last umpteen years, hmmmmm?
It is always sad when people kill one another. Unresolved refugee situations do not tend to breed peace, do they?
WHOSE FAULT IS IT AGAIN?!?!?!?!
YOU WANT ME TO YELL LOUDER WHOSE [b]FAULT it is?!?!?
Geez, I'm getting hoarse.
I'm on the right not the left, BTW.[/b]
Originally posted by spruce112358Are you trying to blame the Israelis for Lebanon attacking a paleo refugee camp?
And whose fault is that there are Palestinian refuge camps in Lebanon for the last umpteen years, hmmmmm?
It is always sad when people kill one another. Unresolved refugee situations do not tend to breed peace, do they?
WHOSE FAULT IS IT AGAIN?!?!?!?!
YOU WANT ME TO YELL LOUDER WHOSE [b]FAULT it is?!?!?
Geez, I'm getting hoarse.
I'm on the right not the left, BTW.[/b]
Originally posted by ivanhoeI've given this some thought, and, to be honest, I do not know. What do you think?
Of course the Libanon army is fighting "Islamist militants" and not "Palestinian refugees". You seem to forget however that the whole Arab world is fighting them.
Tell me, how do you look upon the recent militairy clashes between the two Palestinian factions, the PLO and Hamas ? Do you think there are any connections between what is happening in the Gaza strip and Libanon at the moment ?
Originally posted by SoothfastMy position is that the pro-Palestinians here are largely nothing more than anti-Israeli. Easily evidenced by the lack of screaming voices crying out against the harm being visited upon the Paleos.
You know your position is hollow. That is what drives your fear. To put it succinctly, you're a hack, a charlatan, and a chickenhawk. And an intellectual coward.
These voices make themselves known whenever the Israelis get all "empire" and try to act against the terrorist that have infested the Paleo population.
If there ever was a hollow position, its the position these hypocrites have taken on the Palestine issue. The only person on this board to bring up what is happening to the refugees is me, a guy that doesn't care if they napalmed, carpet bombed, fisted, ignored or forgotten about completely.
Besides that, you've got it backwards. I started the thread by putting forth my position, the burden would then be on you to prove it hollow.
Go back through the thread, you'll find one person (shav) spoke up for the refugees.
Originally posted by MerkAll right then.
My position is that the pro-Palestinians here are largely nothing more than anti-Israeli. Easily evidenced by the lack of screaming voices crying out against the harm being visited upon the Paleos.
These voices make themselves known whenever the Israelis get all "empire" and try to act against the terrorist that have infested the Paleo population.
If th ...[text shortened]... w.
Go back through the thread, you'll find one person (shav) spoke up for the refugees.
But you should know that I do not consider myself "pro-Palestinian" or "anti-Israeli". However, most of the "aid" the US gives to the Middle East goes to just one country: Israel. In fact Israel gets more foreign aid from the US than just about any other country in the world and has the most advanced military in the region as a result. So I feel that Israel doesn't really need much help in the PR department on this forum or any other, and I suspect that's what many others feel as well. This is probably why it seems like certain quarters of the Internet are crawling with anti-Israeli sentiment: basically, the burden of proof in most matters lies with Israel because Israel, being the richer and more powerful nation in its neighborhood, has both more choices and more responsibilities in the conduct of its affairs. The Israel of today is very different from the one of forty years ago.
It's always great press when the president of Iran says he wants to see Israel wiped off the map, but the fact is talk is cheap and Israel has nukes up the ying-yang. In the Eighties the President of the US said into a microphone he didn't realize was on: "My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes." That actually sparked a crisis with the Soviet Union, but talk is cheap and the USSR had nukes up the ying-yang. Neither presidents behaved responsibly and I condemn both for such behavior.
Earlier in this thread I expressed sentiments similar to shavixmir's concerning the plight of the Palestinian refugees even though, again, I don't consider myself pro-Palestinian. By the same token I reserve the right to condemn Israel for its excessive use of force as well as its apartheid policies without considering myself "anti-Israeli". The region is too complex for purely "pro" and "anti" stances. Whether "pro-Palestinians here are largely nothing more than anti-Israeli" is a matter of sheer speculation which, even if examined impartially, would nevertheless be based on a very small and biased sample of world opinion. It's not what I would regard as an interested topic of research.
You are correct in at least one observation: in the course of the eternal pissing matches over Middle Eastern politics, the dire plight of the refugees is all too often glossed over or forgotten. Your confessed indifference toward the fate of the refugees is noted for future reference. One of the reasons why I participate in debate forums like this is not so much to convert others to my way of thinking, but to figure out what makes other folks "tick" -- in particular those who are very much in a different political quadrant than myself.
Your position as stated at the beginning of this thread is indeed academically hollow because it is not falsifiable, and as a result "burden of proof" is irrelevant. People could claim they care for refugees when they actually don't, whilst others will not be present to speak or may not care for your bait. The whole premise is absurd and has all the scholarship of a Jerry Springer episode. All you really have is a preconceived opinion that you're unlikely to modify no matter what respondents say.
Originally posted by SoothfastThe purpose of the thread was to insult the anti-israels.
All right then.
But you should know that I do not consider myself "pro-Palestinian" or "anti-Israeli". However, most of the "aid" the US gives to the Middle East goes to just one country: Israel. In fact Israel gets more foreign aid from the US than just about any other country in the world and has the most advanced military in the region as a result. nion that you're unlikely to modify no matter what respondents say.
And for the record, my indifference for the refugees applies to all peoples that aren't American, (except for our politicians, journalists and lawyers. They can suffer too.) and doubly for those who have dug their own shatholes. The paleos wanted the Jews out more than they wanted their own state. They did it to themselves. Saudi Arabia can get suffocated with a ham sandwich. The Russians wanted pooty, they can have him and his assassins. The Chavistas can go down the sewer with Hugo. The Zims wanted Maximum Bob, so they can go right ahead and suffer with them. The North Koreans can all starve. Upper Volta, I mean Burkina Faso can be used as the worlds dumpster.
For that matter, if I wake up tommorow to discover that Israel got nuked, its no skin off my back. I just hope somebody gets nuked back. Make the entire region s science experiment for all care.
Losing France would be a mixed bag though. We kinda need them for the jokes.
Edit: To top it all off, this slime is there. A member of Fatah. A convicted terrorist who took part in the killing of the crippled Leon Klinghoffer. Any society that accepts an individual like this is repugnant at best.