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@no1marauder said“ Establishing an "inference" and/or "narrative" is different from fabricating one. ”
Establishing an "inference" and/or "narrative" is different from fabricating one. "Establish" in this case means " to put beyond doubt : PROVE". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/establish
That is consistent with what Durham claims he did i.e. amass evidence supposedly showing a link between Trump Tower IP addresses and Russian ones. Whether one finds that evi ...[text shortened]... sians, as well as proof of Russian government interference in the election that aimed to help Trump.
you are a fu kin fool
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder said"we now have ample knowledge of pervasive contacts between Trump campaign officials and advisers and Russians, as well as proof of Russian government interference in the election that aimed to help Trump."
Establishing an "inference" and/or "narrative" is different from fabricating one. "Establish" in this case means " to put beyond doubt : PROVE". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/establish
That is consistent with what Durham claims he did i.e. amass evidence supposedly showing a link between Trump Tower IP addresses and Russian ones. Whether one finds that evi ...[text shortened]... sians, as well as proof of Russian government interference in the election that aimed to help Trump.
You are lying again. There is no proof of Russian government interference in the election that aimed to help Trump. Crowdstrike admitted they had no evidence. This has been proven to you countless times and you reject reality for a false narrative.
Contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russians is not illegal or nefarious. Glenn Simpson, the co-founder of Fusion GPS, had dinner with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya both the day before and the day after she met with Donald Trump, Jr. at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016
Did Glenn Simpson do something wrong? He met with the same Russian.
15 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidActually it's the other way around; Fusion GPS was working on the Prevezon project for Baker Hostetler, who also employed Veselnitskaya. Apparently some of the info Fusion GPS uncovered was brought to the Trump Tower meeting by Veselnitskaya, who thought it would be useful for the Trump campaign. This information had already been handed over to the Russian Prosecutors office by her and it seems reasonable that they OKed its release for such purposes though it can't be proven. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/23/natalia-veselnitskaya-says-fusion-gps-co-founder-g/
So was Natalia Veselnitskaya, she was working for Fusion GPS.
Steele is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm.
Is Christopher Steele a foreigner? Yes or no?
Separately, and unrelatedly, Fusion GPS had been hired to do research on Russian support for Trump (originally paid for by the right wing Washington Free Beacon https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-russia-washington-free-beacon-fusion-gps-244265).
15 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidYou've lied about Crowdstrike countless times. Don't bother with that phony link again, so I won't have to bother linking to Crowdstrike debunking it.
"we now have ample knowledge of pervasive contacts between Trump campaign officials and advisers and Russians, as well as proof of Russian government interference in the election that aimed to help Trump."
You are lying again. There is no proof of Russian government interference in the election that aimed to help Trump. Crowdstrike admitted they had no evidence. This h ...[text shortened]... Trump Tower on June 9, 2016
Did Glenn Simpson do something wrong? He met with the same Russian.
The Mueller report (which you have never read) provides overwhelming evidence of Russian government aid to the Trump campaign.
The point is why were those meetings held. We know from Trump Jr's own e-mails that he expected useful material from the Russian government at the Trump Tower meeting that would help the Trump campaign. What evidence do you have that Simpson and Veselnitskaya discussed anything improper?
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidGlenn Simpson, the co-founder of Fusion GPS, had dinner with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya both the day before and the day after she met with Donald Trump, Jr. at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016.
Actually it's the other way around; Fusion GPS was working on the Prevezon project for Baker Hostetler, who also employed Veselnitskaya. Apparently some of the info Fusion GPS uncovered was brought to the Trump Tower meeting by Veselnitskaya, who thought it would be useful for the Trump campaign. This information had already been handed over to the Russian Prosecutors of ...[text shortened]... on https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-russia-washington-free-beacon-fusion-gps-244265).
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/fusion-gps-glenn-simpson-dined-russian-lawyer-after-her-meeting-trump-tower
That is highly suspect being the day before AND the day after, but let's set that aside for now. It isn't illegal for Glenn Simpson to do it so it isn't illegal for Trump Jr. either, right?
The Trump tower meeting was pure hype with nothing nefarious at all. She was there to lobby regarding the Magnitsky Act. She didn't have any dirt on HRC as you keep falsely claiming.
15 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidYes, I have proved it to any reasonable person, just not a biased, delusional, conspiracy nut like yourself.
You are lying again.
I have called you out on this BS of yours many times before and you never proved it. What is your source of information? I'm calling your bluff again. I have had enough of your lies.
You always accuse others of lying when you lie. You are very predictable in that way. You do it every time.
Papadopoulos was told that the Russians had thousands of HRC and DNC e-mails that could prove damaging to Hillary's campaign.
The Russians gave these e-mails to Wikileaks which released them at various points in the campaign when they thought they would be most damaging.
Mueller goes all through this, I have cited the relevant portions many times.
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidYou've lied about Crowdstrike countless times. You know he admitted under oath they had no evidence. His exact words were "no evidence it was actually exfiltrated". What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?
You've lied about Crowdstrike countless times. Don't bother with that phony link again, so I won't have to bother linking to Crowdstrike debunking it.
The Mueller report (which you have never read) provides overwhelming evidence of Russian government aid to the Trump campaign.
The point is why were those meetings held. We know from Trump Jr's own e-mails that he ex ...[text shortened]... rump campaign. What evidence do you have that Simpson and Veselnitskaya discussed anything improper?
What evidence do you have that Trump jr. and Veselnitskaya discussed anything improper?
15 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidYou're completely out of your mind; have you read the Trump Jr. e-mails?
Glenn Simpson, the co-founder of Fusion GPS, had dinner with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya both the day before and the day after she met with Donald Trump, Jr. at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/fusion-gps-glenn-simpson-dined-russian-lawyer-after-her-meeting-trump-tower
That is highly suspect being the day before ...[text shortened]... to lobby regarding the Magnitsky Act. She didn't have any dirt on HRC as you keep falsely claiming.
Trump lied about the purpose of the meeting; do you have to also?
"Veselnitskaya said she wanted to share allegations with the Trump campaign that an American financial firm that Browder worked with had dodged taxes in Russia and later gave money to Democrats in the U.S. "
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/342109-russian-lawyer-who-met-with-trump-jr-was-in-touch-with-top-russian
And: "But the attorney [Veselnitskaya] told The Wall Street Journal that she was in regular contact with the Russian prosecutor general's office and with Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika himself, with whom she shared information about American hedge fund manager William Browder, who pushed for the passage of the sanctions law known as the Magnitsky Act. "
Sometimes your willful ignorance and stubborn stupidity is pathetically amusing.
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder said"Papadopoulos was told that the Russians had thousands of HRC and DNC e-mails that could prove damaging to Hillary's campaign.
Yes, I have proved it to any reasonable person, just not a biased, delusional, conspiracy nut like yourself.
Papadopoulos was told that the Russians had thousands of HRC and DNC e-mails that could prove damaging to Hillary's campaign.
The Russians gave these e-mails to Wikileaks which released them at various points in the campaign when they thought they would be most damaging.
Mueller goes all through this, I have cited the relevant portions many times.
The Russians gave these e-mails to Wikileaks which released them at various points in the campaign when they thought they would be most damaging."
You are lying again. You have no evidence the Russians gave these e-mails to Wikileaks and Wikileaks denied they came from Russia and strongly implied it was Seth Rich who leaked them from an inside job. You also have no evidence those e-mails were damaging to HRC.
I am calling your bluff. Where are the e-mails that were damaging to HRC? Give me a single example.
15 Feb 22
Here's the e-mails, moron: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/
"Nothing improper"?
Goldstone: "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."
Donald Trump Jr.: "Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?"
15 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidMueller actually has the names of files sent to Wikileaks by the Russian military as well as the dates and times. You've been shown this countless times.
"Papadopoulos was told that the Russians had thousands of HRC and DNC e-mails that could prove damaging to Hillary's campaign.
The Russians gave these e-mails to Wikileaks which released them at various points in the campaign when they thought they would be most damaging."
You are lying again. You have no evidence the Russians gave these e-mails to Wikileaks and Wik ...[text shortened]...
I am calling your bluff. Where are the e-mails that were damaging to HRC? Give me a single example.
There were many e-mails that turned out to be damaging to HRC's campaign; the dump right before the convention was designed to alienate Sanders' supporters. Here's a few examples: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging-emails-dnc-wikileaks-dump/story?id=40852448
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder said"Trump lied about the purpose of the meeting; do you have to also?"
You're completely out of your mind; have you read the Trump Jr. e-mails?
Trump lied about the purpose of the meeting; do you have to also?
"Veselnitskaya said she wanted to share allegations with the Trump campaign that an American financial firm that Browder worked with had dodged taxes in Russia and later gave money to Democrats in the U.S. "
https://thehill.co ...[text shortened]... gnitsky Act. "
Sometimes your willful ignorance and stubborn stupidity is pathetically amusing.
What did he lie about? She didn't have any dirt on HRC. It was actually Natalia Veselnitskaya that lied to Trump jr. It was about the Magnitsky Act, not dirt on HRC.
You have it backwards. Natalia Veselnitskaya lied, not Trump jr.
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidAras and Emin have no credibility. Where is the evidence they were telling the truth? There is none.
Here's the e-mails, moron: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/
"Nothing improper"?
Goldstone: "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russi ...[text shortened]... ove it especially later in the summer[/b]. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?"
Once again, there is no email that is damaging to HRC regardless of who leaked them to who.
15 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidMueller has no evidence those files came from the Russian government. This is another of your incompetence theories. Expert Russian hackers who are incompetent and never cover their tracks. Barney Fife works at Russian Intelligence. Right. Absurd.
Mueller actually has the names of files sent to Wikileaks by the Russian military as well as the dates and times. You've been shown this countless times.
There were many e-mails that turned out to be damaging to HRC's campaign; the dump right before the convention was designed to alienate Sanders' supporters. Here's a few examples: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging-emails-dnc-wikileaks-dump/story?id=40852448
"There were many e-mails that turned out to be damaging to HRC's campaign; the dump right before the convention was designed to alienate Sanders' supporters. Here's a few examples"
That was not damaging to HRC, it was damaging to DWS. She was forced to resign in disgrace. I am still waiting for a single example.
15 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidTrump's promise to repeal the Magnitsky Act is what the Russians, through Veselnitskaya, wanted in return for what they thought was useful information for Trump's campaign.
"Trump lied about the purpose of the meeting; do you have to also?"
What did he lie about? She didn't have any dirt on HRC. It was actually Natalia Veselnitskaya that lied to Trump jr. It was about the Magnitsky Act, not dirt on HRC.
You have it backwards. Natalia Veselnitskaya lied, not Trump jr.
Manafort's notes of the meeting start with "Bill Browder", a backer of HRC and the DNC, go on about his business dealing in Cyprus - all of which are tied to Russian government claims the Browder and an associated company, Ziff Brothers, evaded Russian taxes and then made large contributions to Democrats and the DNC. Only at the end does he note, "Russian adoption by American families" which were suspended by Russia in retaliation for the Magnitsky Act. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Paul%20Manafort%20June%209%20Notes%20and%20Schedules.pdf