Face masks don't help and never did

@shavixmir said
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Moron

Whoah, you spent 30 minutes on that vid? Really did it for you eh.

@wajoma said
Whoah, you spent 30 minutes on that vid? Really did it for you eh.

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@soothfast said
Speaking of "how debates work," you've done anything and everything to ignore the one post I have directed at you, and continue to babble incoherently about...well, something, but therein lies the tragedy of your incoherence.

What's the point of your idiotic YouTube links? It brings nothing substantive to the table, and certainly does not score you any debate points. You're such an empty suit I'm guessing you sleep on a coat hanger.

It is a question of the quality of studies. Randomized controlled trials (RCTs) are the gold standard of studies. You don't have any to prove face masks help. Fauci didn't want any done because he already knew masks didn't help. That is why it took so long.

The truth is that you have a political bias that has influenced your opinion. If I told you that flossing before brushing your teeth is better than the other way around you might disagree with me, but you would likely be more open minded about a different opinion than yours.....unless the opinion became politicized. If the vast majority of democrats took a position on it you would fall in line and back your party's position regardless of whether or not you had RCTs to prove it. Right?

@metal-brain said
It is a question of the quality of studies. Randomized controlled trials (RCTs) are the gold standard of studies. You don't have any to prove face masks help. Fauci didn't want any done because he already knew masks didn't help. That is why it took so long.

The truth is that you have a political bias that has influenced your opinion. If I told you that flossing before ...[text shortened]... in line and back your party's position regardless of whether or not you had RCTs to prove it. Right?

Yes, I'm afraid the experimental methodologies that you so desire, your so-called "gold standard," went out of fashion after Josef Mengele.

But that's okay. There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid.

Masks work, and your brain doesn't. There is it. Enjoy your conspiracy stew, you lonely, sad fool.

@soothfast said
Yes, I'm afraid the experimental methodologies that you so desire, your so-called "gold standard," went out of fashion after Josef Mengele.

But that's okay. There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid.

Masks work, and your brain doesn't. There is it. Enjoy your conspiracy stew, you lonely, sad fool.

Some masks may work to a small degree if a long list of mask handling criteria are met. There are masks that are 100% effective but you're more interested in appearances (and what better obvious holier than thou appearance) than going to the trouble and expense of wearing an effective mask. The issue we have here is that someone has called you on it.

shag doody for brains, a confirmed mask zombie, doesn't even know what a fit test is.

It's like saying you need a screw driver to build a rolex watch. It's not any old screw driver handled in any old way.

Hey soothfast, screw drivers work. Just don't try to build a Swiss watch with one, you're wasting your time. Which is up to you, waste as much time as you like, but insisting everyone else waste their time under threat of being choked is another matter.

Edit: Putting masks on children was child abuse, but that's where we get to see the true psychology of the mask priests.

@wajoma said
Which is up to you, waste as much time as you like, but insisting everyone else waste their time under threat of being choked is another matter.

You're back to your oddball anecdote about the stupid cop from down-under again, so I'm going to ask the question again:

If a cop roughs up a citizen he perceives is breaking some particular law, does that make the law in question unjust?

@soothfast said
Yes, I'm afraid the experimental methodologies that you so desire, your so-called "gold standard," went out of fashion after Josef Mengele.

But that's okay. There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid.

Masks work, and your brain doesn't. There is it. Enjoy your conspiracy stew, you lonely, sad fool.

"Yes, I'm afraid the experimental methodologies that you so desire, your so-called "gold standard," went out of fashion after Josef Mengele."

You are a big liar!

@metal-brain said
"Yes, I'm afraid the experimental methodologies that you so desire, your so-called "gold standard," went out of fashion after Josef Mengele."

You are a big liar!

LOL!

@soothfast said
LOL!

Stop making up ridiculous lies.

@soothfast said
Yes, I'm afraid the experimental methodologies that you so desire, your so-called "gold standard," went out of fashion after Josef Mengele.

But that's okay. There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid.

Masks work, and your brain doesn't. There is it. Enjoy your conspiracy stew, you lonely, sad fool.

" There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid."

https://brownstone.org/articles/not-even-n95-masks-work-to-stop-covid/

@soothfast said
You're back to your oddball anecdote about the stupid cop from down-under again, so I'm going to ask the question again:

If a cop roughs up a citizen he perceives is breaking some particular law, does that make the law in question unjust?

The interaction would not have occurred if not for the ridiculous mask mandates and the ludicrous mask evangelism. One example among millions where closet control freaks were given free reign.

@metal-brain said
" There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid."

https://brownstone.org/articles/not-even-n95-masks-work-to-stop-covid/

Even the fancy, and no doubt expensive, but impractical for 99% of situations, stick on masks linked to by soothfast made no extravagant claims about preventing wuflu.

@metal-brain said
" There is an enormous amount of demographic data at hand, as well as the test results on N95 filters themselves, that indicate that masks do work to reduce the spread or Covid."

https://brownstone.org/articles/not-even-n95-masks-work-to-stop-covid/

Did you read the medical study that that slanted article is citing?

Have I not said that the problem with conventional (i.e. nonadhesive) N95 masks is keeping a good seal in the field? And without that, yes, we can expect that N95 masks would perform little better than surgical masks in general.

The study follows nurses wearing either surgical or N95 masks. The signal to noise ratio will be low, however, because of the stated limitations of the study:

Potential acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 through household and community exposure, heterogeneity between countries, uncertainty in the estimates of effect, differences in self-reported adherence [to mask wearing], differences in baseline antibodies, and between-country differences in circulating variants and vaccination.

The study makes no conclusion that "face masks don't help and never did" (your title for this thread). What it has found is just this: N95 masks aren't so great at protecting the wearer when improperly worn. It is absolutely critical to put them on right, otherwise one may as well wear a surgical mask.

Remember that the power of masks is greatest at protecting others, and not so much the wearer. For the wearer to be better protected by his own mask, the wearer must wear the best kind with the best fit.

This is the only reason I've decided to talk to you again, because your irresponsible, conspiratorial nonsense stands a not insignificant chance of getting someone killed.

@wajoma said
Even the fancy, and no doubt expensive, but impractical for 99% of situations, stick on masks linked to by soothfast made no extravagant claims about preventing wuflu.

They advertise the N95 protocol, which is universal and therefore need not address a particular sort of virus.

And your racist as​shole "wuflu" crap is tiresome and childish, you scum.

@soothfast said
Did you read the medical study that that slanted article is citing?

Have I not said that the problem with conventional (i.e. nonadhesive) N95 masks is keeping a good seal in the field? And without that, yes, we can expect that N95 masks would perform little better than surgical masks in general.

The study follows nurses wearing either surgical or N95 masks. The sign ...[text shortened]... irresponsible, conspiratorial nonsense stands a not insignificant chance of getting someone killed.

So you will come out and openly admit that unless a specific mask is worn and handled in a specific way = waste of time, more harm than good, false sense of security.

And that conservatively 99.99% of masks as they were used in the last 3 years fall into the waste of time category.