Fascists on the streets of England

@Rajk999 said
People who are rich do not have to share their money with you. They can if they want to.. but thats their choice. Something is wrong with you.

I don't agree actually.
I don't agree that we should allow a few people to become obscenely rich while others are obscenely poor.
And I don't agree that rich people shouldn't be asked to share their money so that other people can eat and be safe without having to ask for handouts
I also don't agree that it should be their choice. They likely became rich by taking away other people's choices


What is it that you think is okay about the disparity between the rich and the poor in the UK?
What is the disparity like in your country and are you happy with it?

@Rajk999 said
Its called covetousness on your part and it is a sin.
It is not greed on the part of the rich.

So your aim is to show me where I am sinning?

I know I am a sinner, Rajk, your time is wasted.

I don't, however, think I am coveting anyone else's things or lifestyle. Pretty happy in my life if you want to know. I am comfortable. I think it's sad that so many aren't comfortable and unjust and also unnecessary.

@yo-its-me said
I don't agree actually.
I don't agree that we should allow a few people to become obscenely rich while others are obscenely poor.
And I don't agree that rich people shouldn't be asked to share their money so that other people can eat and be safe without having to ask for handouts
I also don't agree that it should be their choice. They likely became rich by taking away ot ...[text shortened]... rich and the poor in the UK?
What is the disparity like in your country and are you happy with it?

If you are obscenely poor its because you lazy or stupid, or both. The rich already share their wealth in the form of taxes. If they choose to share more then that is their choice, not yours.

You appear to be a greedy, covetous and lazy. Try fixing that and then your life will change. If you continue to covet and look upon the possessions of the rich with envy is the road to continued poverty.

Disparity between the rich and poor exists in all societies, and it does not bother me in the least.

@Rajk999 said
Disparity between the rich and poor exists in all societies, and it does not bother me in the least.

I have ignored the comments you made which were nonsensical (you're welcome).

You have no compassion for those who are poor?
I thought you were a Christian??
Jesus was righteously angry when religious profiteers exploited people. (John 2:13-25) (Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 2:15-17, Luke 2:45-46).
The psalmists often appeal to God’s anger as their only hope against injustice, pleading with God to feel the pain of their injustice and to respond with judgment (Psalm 7:6-9, 10:12-15, 12:1-3, 74:18-23, 82:8).

@Rajk999 said
If you are obscenely poor its because you lazy or stupid, or both. The rich already share their wealth in the form of taxes. If they choose to share more then that is their choice, not yours.

You appear to be a greedy, covetous and lazy. Try fixing that and then your life will change. If you continue to covet and look upon the possessions of the rich with envy is the ...[text shortened]... Disparity between the rich and poor exists in all societies, and it does not bother me in the least.

Are you your brother's keeper?

I submit that you are not.

And that is why you fail.

@yo-its-me said
I have ignored the comments you made which were nonsensical (you're welcome).

You have no compassion for those who are poor?
I thought you were a Christian??
Jesus was righteously angry when religious profiteers exploited people. (John 2:13-25) (Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 2:15-17, Luke 2:45-46).
The psalmists often appeal to God’s anger as their only hope against injusti ...[text shortened]... ain of their injustice and to respond with judgment (Psalm 7:6-9, 10:12-15, 12:1-3, 74:18-23, 82:8).

Do you have compassion for the poor? Practicing greed, covetousness, and envy, which is what you post shows here, does not mean you have compassion for the poor. In fact if poor people were to rise up and kill the rich you seem to be the type that would support such violence and murder. If you want to help the poor then telling them how to escape poverty is the only way. Being jealous of the rich and wanting what they have achieves nothing.

Here is some good advice from the wisdom of Solomon:

Being lazy will make you poor, but hard work will make you rich.
A sensible person gathers the crops when they are ready; it is a disgrace to sleep through the time of harvest.
Good people will receive blessings.
The words of the wicked hide a violent nature.
Good people will be remembered as a blessing, but the wicked will soon be forgotten.
Sensible people accept good advice.
People who talk foolishly will come to ruin.
(Proverbs 10:4-8 GNB)

@Rajk999 said
Do you have compassion for the poor? Practicing greed, covetousness, and envy, which is what you post shows here, does not mean you have compassion for the poor. In fact if poor people were to rise up and kill the rich you seem to be the type that would support such violence and murder. If you want to help the poor then telling them how to escape poverty is the only way. ...[text shortened]... le accept good advice.
People who talk foolishly will come to ruin.
(Proverbs 10:4-8 GNB) [/i]

What?!

(should I be laughing?I don't mean it in a mean way)

Rajk, you were a Chartered Accountant, right? So you have had some formal education. You can read and write- we've seen it. But you don't understand anything of what I write for some reason?
And now you quote the Bible of something that you clearly do not apply to yourself.

Bizzare. What is happening here?!!

Maybe you are a bot?

Or...
I don't know.

Errm, but I do not have the time or energy.

I remember now, I decided some years ago to not waste time replying to you.
I revert to that decision.


Jog on mate

@Rajk999 said
If you are obscenely poor its because you lazy or stupid, or both.

Cough, cough, Luke 6:20-21:

"Then he looked up at his disciples and said: ‘Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."


Is it your contention that the Kingdom of God belongs to the lazy and stupid?

@yo-its-me said
What?!

(should I be laughing?I don't mean it in a mean way)

Rajk, you were a Chartered Accountant, right? So you have had some formal education. You can read and write- we've seen it. But you don't understand anything of what I write for some reason?
And now you quote the Bible of something that you clearly do not apply to yourself.

Bizzare. What is happening her ...[text shortened]... cided some years ago to not waste time replying to you.
I revert to that decision.


Jog on mate

Did you not quote the bible? You dont like when the bible is quoted back to you?

I understand you perfectly. Here is what you wrote:
- your society has gross uneven distribution of wealth
- you would like to see money/assets taken from the rich and given to the poor
- you are indirectly blaming the UK govt for the ailments of disadvantaged people.

Feel free to ignore me. I suggest that the reason why you ignore me is that I make perfect sense while what you say is utter rubbish.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Cough, cough, Luke 6:20-21:

"Then he looked up at his disciples and said: ‘Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."


Is it your contention that the Kingdom of God belongs to the lazy and stupid?

Maybe... being lazy is not a sin, neither is stupidity. All that Solomon is saying is that it is what leads to poverty. Living a life of poverty is not a sin, neither is it something bad as yoitsme is trying to say. Poverty leads to a greater awareness of God and the distractions of money and riches can lead one astray from God. So it can be a good thing.

However you passage in Luke it is suggested that that refers to being poor in spirit. That means humility. Matthews record of the Beatitides has this instead:

"Happy are those who know they are spiritually poor; the Kingdom of heaven belongs to them! (Matthew 5:3 GNB)

Yoitsme is lamenting poverty and wanting money to be taken from the rich and given to them. There is nothing good, scriptural about that. I know the UK is a welfare state and many needy people are supported by the taxes which the rich pay. To covet, envy and to be jealous of the rich is a sin.

@Rajk999 said
Maybe... being lazy is not a sin, neither is stupidity. All that Solomon is saying is that it is what leads to poverty. Living a life of poverty is not a sin, neither is it something bad as yoitsme is trying to say. Poverty leads to a greater awareness of God and the distractions of money and riches can lead one astray from God. So it can be a good thing.

However you p ...[text shortened]... e supported by the taxes which the rich pay. To covet, envy and to be jealous of the rich is a sin.

Would seem odd though for Jesus to specifically bless the poor if he equated poverty with laziness or stupidity. (And Proverbs does actually define laziness as a sin).

Poverty has many causes.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Would seem odd though for Jesus to specifically bless the poor if he equated poverty with laziness or stupidity. (And Proverbs does actually define laziness as a sin).

Poverty has many causes.

Jesus blessed those who are "poor in spirit". I know there are many causes of poverty, none of which is the fault of the rich, in modern capitalist societies. In fact in these societies the social net is huge and it is only the greed of the poor [which is a sin], that makes their poverty unbearable because they focus on what another man has worked for. That is the sin.

@Rajk999 said
Jesus blessed those who are "poor in spirit".

Wrong. Not surprising from someone who admitted he "doesn't know" what "Jesus wants" despite claiming to be a Christian.

I know there are many causes of poverty, none of which is the fault of the rich

Also wrong.

@vivify said
Wrong. Not surprising from someone who admitted he "doesn't know" what "Jesus wants" despite claiming to be a Christian.

I know there are many causes of poverty, none of which is the fault of the rich

Also wrong.

What a lame response. Personally, I never enter a discussion just to tell a poster he is wrong. If I choose to enter, I will state he is wrong, then proceed to give my opinion on why I think he is wrong. People like you lack the ability to discuss issues properly and focus instead on personalities.

@Rajk999 said
Jesus blessed those who are "poor in spirit". I know there are many causes of poverty, none of which is the fault of the rich, in modern capitalist societies. In fact in these societies the social net is huge and it is only the greed of the poor [which is a sin], that makes their poverty unbearable because they focus on what another man has worked for. That is the sin.

"Whenever, I say, “Blessed are the poor,” there’s an almost knee-jerk reaction in certain churches to add the words, “…in spirit,” in a defiant whisper. And in doing so, we marginalize those who live in poverty all over again.

We reduce the good news of God’s Kingdom on earth to something that is only emotional and anaemically spiritual, instead of world-changing. We ignore the economic component of discipleship."

Craig Greenfield (Author of the Urban Halo).