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12 Jan 22
@sh76 saidI suggest that the more people that
Yes; but we need help. Few individual politicians have electoral incentives to push Trump under the bus. It's hard to sacrifice your career to stand up to Trump. I'm not saying people shouldn't do it; I'm saying it's hard. Republicans in Trumpian districts know they will be primaried if they oppose Trump too openly.
stand up, the easier it will become.
Anyone that does 'stand up,' is
ostracized by their fellows...
As an AMERICAN, I'm proud of Liz Cheney,
as I was of John McCain but, you must admit,
there are just too many Grahams, McConnells and Cruzs.
12 Jan 22
@sh76 saidIf the first step is getting rid of Trump, we'll be waiting a while. He has support. He has kids scattered around caroling for his brand. 70% of CPAC Republicans picked him as the nominee.
The GOP needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, no question.
But the first step is getting rid of Trump. Without that step, it's impossible.
Edit: As for the media, my recollection (and admittedly it was a long time ago) was that they barely even criticized him until it was clear he'd win the nomination.
All the other top presidential candidates are MAGA too. Cruz, Paul, DeSantis. They are popular in the GOP because they glued themselves to Donny's hip.
13 Jan 22
@jimm619 saidDo they really though? Or is it just a smokescreen / fig leaf for their democrat voter restriction strategy.
News flash,
there are several morons on
this very site that also still believe it.
If your claiming to fix it you need to claim it’s broken.
@wildgrass said"There were 62 decisions in court, and 61 of them ruled against claims of fraud"
- Every state certified election results and sent their chosen electors.
- Election recounts found very little discrepancies between initial and recounted votes.
- Dominion did not change votes.
- Some people voted twice, but everyone who was caught doing this was a MAGA.
- There were 62 decisions in court, and 61 of them ruled against claims of fraud.
- The ...[text shortened]... ttps://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072176709/transcript-full-npr-interview-former-president-donald-trump
Technically that is not true. Most did not look at any evidence to determine if there was fraud. Most were rejected because of procedural grounds alone before any evidence could be looked at.
"Dominion did not change votes"
That is not true. Dominion voting machines in Antrim County Michigan counted votes and someone noticed an unlikely voting discrepancy that needed investigating. That led to a hand count of the ballots and that resulted in Trump picking up about 6000 votes as a result.
You are detached from reality. I am not saying enough corrected votes would have changed the outcome of the election. That is a whole different issue, but you are asserting falsehoods and I suspect you have been duped by highly partisan misinformation.
13 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidAnd your still a bare faced liar.
"There were 62 decisions in court, and 61 of them ruled against claims of fraud"
Technically that is not true. Most did not look at any evidence to determine if there was fraud. Most were rejected because of procedural grounds alone before any evidence could be looked at.
"Dominion did not change votes"
That is not true. Dominion voting machines in Antrim County ...[text shortened]... ut you are asserting falsehoods and I suspect you have been duped by highly partisan misinformation.
13 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidFalse:
"There were 62 decisions in court, and 61 of them ruled against claims of fraud"
Technically that is not true. Most did not look at any evidence to determine if there was fraud. Most were rejected because of procedural grounds alone before any evidence could be looked at.
"Dominion did not change votes"
That is not true. Dominion voting machines in Antrim County ...[text shortened]... ut you are asserting falsehoods and I suspect you have been duped by highly partisan misinformation.
"There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals ......."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/
@metal-brain saidNo. All those bullet points are accurate.
"There were 62 decisions in court, and 61 of them ruled against claims of fraud"
Technically that is not true. Most did not look at any evidence to determine if there was fraud. Most were rejected because of procedural grounds alone before any evidence could be looked at.
"Dominion did not change votes"
That is not true. Dominion voting machines in Antrim County ...[text shortened]... ut you are asserting falsehoods and I suspect you have been duped by highly partisan misinformation.
Dominion voting machines
This "discrepancy" you describe was quickly identified and fixed. There is a process to check results before they are officially counted. The system was working as designed. Judges and election officials have all looked at the case and the evidence and found no evidence votes had been changed.
Most did not look at any evidence ...
Was evidence presented? I don't think you can dismiss the unfavorable rulings as 'procedural grounds' if the case did not have merits to proceed. If there was credible evidence of fraud, why wasn't it presented? Remember these judges were Trump appointees. There was one I remember Rudy said to the judge straight up "this is not a case about fraud" because he didn't have any evidence of fraud, and then his witness went on a rant about dead people voting as if she saw ghosts.
14 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidWrong.
False:
"There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals ......."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/
Your article says it was caused by a "computer glitch".
There’s no such thing as a glitch. No compiled computer code can decide to change its mind.
The Dominion voting machine flipped about 6000 votes from Trump to Biden.
The only reason Michigan caught the discrepancy was because someone went to look at the printed-out poll tapes – the raw numbers that come out of the voter machines – and when they compared those numbers to the tabulated results provided by the state, they discovered the numbers did not match up.
14 Jan 22
@wildgrass saidThe Dominion voting machine flipped about 6000 votes from Trump to Biden. Votes were changed.
No. All those bullet points are accurate.Dominion voting machines
This "discrepancy" you describe was quickly identified and fixed. There is a process to check results before they are officially counted. The system was working as designed. Judges and election officials have all looked at the case and the evidence and found no evidence votes had been change ...[text shortened]... vidence of fraud, and then his witness went on a rant about dead people voting as if she saw ghosts.
The only reason Michigan caught the discrepancy was because someone went to look at the printed-out poll tapes – the raw numbers that come out of the voter machines – and when they compared those numbers to the tabulated results provided by the state, they discovered the numbers did not match up.
Your claim that discrepancy was quickly identified and fixed is flat out false.
Here is an article that I suggest you read so you have your facts straight.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-won-two-thirds-of-election-lawsuits-where-merits-considered_3688543.html
@metal-brain said"A failure to properly update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday."
Wrong.
Your article says it was caused by a "computer glitch".
There’s no such thing as a glitch. No compiled computer code can decide to change its mind.
The Dominion voting machine flipped about 6000 votes from Trump to Biden.
The only reason Michigan caught the discrepancy was because someone went to look at the printed-out poll tapes – the raw numbers that co ...[text shortened]... umbers to the tabulated results provided by the state, they discovered the numbers did not match up.
""The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk," the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.
There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said."
The clincher:
"But the state said the software problem was not related to the Dominion voting equipment."
The printed tapes from the voting machines are always compared to the unofficial results: "But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state."
Try actually reading an article next time. You've repeated these false claims literally dozens of times on this site.