He still thinks it was rigged?

@metal-brain said
Not in all states.

Louisiana has no paper trail at all and Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas have some jurisdictions with a paper trail and others without. In Louisiana a recount will merely verify the fraudulent numbers.

I actually read the Louisiana lawsuit. They do not cite any evidence, nor do they make any specific allegations. Of course that gets thrown out of court.

Look, you keep asserting that there could have been fraud. Yes, that is possible, and there are isolated examples (the MAGA-themed retirement community in Florida for example) in which voters voted twice. But the election was not rigged. There's zero evidence of that.

@metal-brain said
Right, the same people that told you software was not equipment. It is.
From the same people the told you it was a glitch when it was not.

How do you know that what you are being told is true?
How do you know what is in the source code? It is not open source.

If a state does not have control of the “source code” for the software applications in use how could the ...[text shortened]... ftware? More importantly, how do you know the new software doesn't contain vote rigging source code?

Gee, maybe invisible aliens changed all the votes.

You're supposed to present actual evidence to support your claims not "who knows".

The analysis performed by an election expert hired by the Michigan Secretary of State and AG is here: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Antrim_720623_7.pdf

It completely rebuts any claims that the errors were caused by Dominion Voting machines.

@no1marauder said
Gee, maybe invisible aliens changed all the votes.

You're supposed to present actual evidence to support your claims not "who knows".

The analysis performed by an election expert hired by the Michigan Secretary of State and AG is here: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Antrim_720623_7.pdf

It completely rebuts any claims that the errors were caused by Dominion Voting machines.

Wait just one second.
What about the Jewish laser beam,
and the Italian satellite?

@jimm619 said
Wait just one second.
What about the Jewish laser beam,
and the Italian satellite?

I know who rigged it. It was a laser beam in the library with a Dominion voting machine.

@no1marauder said
Gee, maybe invisible aliens changed all the votes.

You're supposed to present actual evidence to support your claims not "who knows".

The analysis performed by an election expert hired by the Michigan Secretary of State and AG is here: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Antrim_720623_7.pdf

It completely rebuts any claims that the errors were caused by Dominion Voting machines.

That is a cheap shot and everyone knows it. Maybe invisible aliens made you believe it was a glitch, then human error. Neither was true. Even if it was human error why did failure to download new software result in 6000 votes being flipped from Trump to Biden?

If a state does not have control of the “source code” for the software applications in use how could the state possibly know that it was a failure to download new software? More importantly, how do you know the new software doesn't contain vote rigging source code?

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/12/mi-judge-approves-release-of-audit-showing-68-error-rates-in-countys-dominion-voting-software/

This has to do with transparency. Being denied the source code is unacceptable. No election is secure with secretive source code. That is just common sense.

Be honest with yourself. Look at it with an opposite partisan bias. If Trump wins the primary election in 2024 and the source code is a closely guarded secret with another type of voting machine that allegedly rigged votes in his favor, will you accept nothing nefarious took place?

@metal-brain said
That is a cheap shot and everyone knows it. Maybe invisible aliens made you believe it was a glitch, then human error. Neither was true. Even if it was human error why did failure to download new software result in 6000 votes being flipped from Trump to Biden?

If a state does not have control of the “source code” for the software applications in use how could the state ...[text shortened]... ting machine that allegedly rigged votes in his favor, will you accept nothing nefarious took place?

Stop lying and stop being stupid
The secure nature of the source code is EXACTLY what made it a secure election.
Do you think maybe we should give Moscow access to the source code or perhaps the GOP, maybe the DNC would like a link to it.
🙄

@kevcvs57 said
Stop lying and stop being stupid
The secure nature of the source code is EXACTLY what made it a secure election.
Do you think maybe we should give Moscow access to the source code or perhaps the GOP, maybe the DNC would like a link to it.
🙄

Maybe Moscow wrote the source code. That is the whole point.
Do you know who you are trusting with this source code?

Maybe that is how Trump became POTUS in the first place. Have you ever thought of that?

@metal-brain said
Maybe Moscow wrote the source code. That is the whole point.
Do you know who you are trusting with this source code?

Maybe that is how Trump became POTUS in the first place. Have you ever thought of that?

International observers, court cases, recounts, audits... it all proves you wrong.

@shavixmir said
International observers, court cases, recounts, audits... it all proves you wrong.

Source?

You have nothing.

@metal-brain said
That is a cheap shot and everyone knows it. Maybe invisible aliens made you believe it was a glitch, then human error. Neither was true. Even if it was human error why did failure to download new software result in 6000 votes being flipped from Trump to Biden?

If a state does not have control of the “source code” for the software applications in use how could the state ...[text shortened]... ting machine that allegedly rigged votes in his favor, will you accept nothing nefarious took place?

Or ........ maybe changed 6000 votes from Biden to Trump.
If it was actually a glitch, why would that glitch manifest itself in one direction only ?

@metal-brain said
Maybe Moscow wrote the source code. That is the whole point.
Do you know who you are trusting with this source code?

Maybe that is how Trump became POTUS in the first place. Have you ever thought of that?

Metal Brain - you've pointed to isolated instances where the vote wasn't perfect, but where is the evidence of a rigged election?

Why do Republicans think the presidential election was rigged but not their own elections, which were on the same ballots?

Moreover, if there was a rigged election at the federal level that supported Democrats, then why is the bill aimed at fixing voting in America being ignored by Republicans?

@mghrn55 said
Or ........ maybe changed 6000 votes from Biden to Trump.
If it was actually a glitch, why would that glitch manifest itself in one direction only ?

Exactly.

It wasn't a glitch though. Computers cannot just change their minds. Besides, to admit there is a glitch is to admit a flaw in Dominion voting machines.
Then they changed it to human error. They claimed someone failed to update software. Nobody explained why that would manifest itself in one direction only either, so here we are.

People have an amazing amount of trust in mysterious software source code. They don't even know who wrote that source code. It could have been John G. Trump for all they know.

@wildgrass said
- Every state certified election results and sent their chosen electors.

- Election recounts found very little discrepancies between initial and recounted votes.

- Dominion did not change votes.

- Some people voted twice, but everyone who was caught doing this was a MAGA.

- There were 62 decisions in court, and 61 of them ruled against claims of fraud.

- The ...[text shortened]... ttps://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072176709/transcript-full-npr-interview-former-president-donald-trump

There is method to the apparent madness. Trump does not actually believe the 2020 election was stolen. He knows he lost. His strategy all along has been to cast enough doubt on the process to get the result annulled, but he knows he really lost. His motivation is to stay out of jail. There is at least one lawsuit pending against him, from before his term of office, on a felony charge -- which, if convicted, would carry a prison term. As soon as he was dis-elected, the lawsuits, which were suspended during his term of office, got rolling again. He wishes to avoid going to prison, at all cost. A sitting president cannot be indicted (impeached yes, indicted no), so he is desperate to have the previous election result declared invalid, in the false hope that his immunity from prosecution will still hold (it won't). If he were to be re-instated, the statute of limitations would run out during his second term; this is why he so desperately tried to get the 2020 election result overturned, by pressuring Pence and several state electoral commissions and by instigating numerous re-re-counts. Having failed to get the 2020 election result overturned, his current strategy is to stall the lawsuits in the hope that he can get re-elected in 2024 (so the statutes of limitations will run out and he'll be off scot-free), by gerrymandering and by getting laws passed whereby if even a single instance of vote fraud can be attested, then a state judge can invalidate the entire state's electoral result. This would amount to a coup d'etat, and Trump and his facilitators will stop at nothing to carry it out.

@wildgrass said
Look, you keep asserting that there could have been fraud. Yes, that is possible, and there are isolated examples (the MAGA-themed retirement community in Florida for example) in which voters voted twice. But the election was not rigged. There's zero evidence of that.

The election was in fact rigged, in favour of the Trump goons. Hence the dead MAGAhatters voting twice. And they still lost... How incompetent can you be!?

@kevcvs57 said
Do you think maybe we should give Moscow access to the source code

Yes. Yes, I think we should. And everybody else. Because the code should be written, and even more importantly, the hardware should be built, so that that doesn't matter.

Which means, for starters, no internet connection on voting machines. And a paper trail. And checkably secure software.

This is not rocket science, people! This is a very simple process. I could write it! I could write it on my own, and I'm only a middling-good programmer. The real problem is the hardware, and even more, all the processes surrounding it, all the organisation and the wetware. If you have transparent protocols, double checks with all parties involved at all stages, good - physical, not digital! - archiving, and no unnecessary complication and commercialisation, whether Putin knows anything about your software is completely unimportant, and indeed, the fact that he could and so could anybody else, is a positive, not a negative.

Here, this one is worth thinking about: https://xkcd.com/463/