09 Mar 08
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Originally posted by SeitsePole?
Do not stain my mask of friendship and neutrality! ðŸ˜
Look, I will pretend that you are just another Pole who is bitter because the Union did not . DISCLOSURE. This post is intended solely for light self-entertainment purposes, mockery of a moron's bitterness, and shall not be construed as reflecting the opinions and convictions of the author. [/b]
You've got your flags upside down.
Were you home-schooled?
And I am not a bitter moron. Almost everyone I've met says that. But they're all wrong.
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungShouldn't everyone care about the next generation weather they are related to you or not?
Why is the practice of social skills any of your business? Or mine?
I have a freind who decided to home school her child becasue she was bullied at school. Her doughter is a lovelly girl but I have noticed that she dosen't 'get' somethings that other kids 'get', like about taking turns and teasing eachother...
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by yo its meI think that parents home school their kids specifically out of concern for their kids - the next generation, rather than unload them for 7 hours at the 'free' daycare center that is the public system.
Shouldn't everyone care about the next generation weather they are related to you or not?
I have a freind who decided to home school her child becasue she was bullied at school. Her doughter is a lovelly girl but I have noticed that she dosen't 'get' somethings that other kids 'get', like about taking turns and teasing eachother...
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by WajomaI expect they do but the fear of your child getting hurt can cloud judgment about leting them experience life, if you know what I mean?
I think that parents home school their kids specifically out of concern for their kids - the next generation, rather than unload them for 7 hours at the 'free' daycare center that is the public system.
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by yo its meSure. I care. Caring does not give me the right to tell people how they are permitted to raise their children.
Shouldn't everyone care about the next generation weather they are related to you or not?
I have a freind who decided to home school her child becasue she was bullied at school. Her doughter is a lovelly girl but I have noticed that she dosen't 'get' somethings that other kids 'get', like about taking turns and teasing eachother...
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by shavixmirDo you think you should be permitted to force parents to have their children taught according to your standards and under your conditions?
Well, I just thought that because we live in a "society", there might be some merit in having children taught and practice social skills...
09 Mar 08
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Originally posted by shavixmirFirst of all, have you ever met a kid who attended public/private schools who did not have any social skills? I have.
Why would you home school a kid?
How does one insure social skills are practised?
Secondly, I think home schools should be allowed for several reasons. The greatest reason, however, is that in the American school system you have the "haves" and "have nots". The "haves" live in highly taxed areas that fund their local public schools so that they are well supplied and have great teachers for the most part. Not only that, these areas often have higher real estate values as a result which keep the "have nots" out. The "haves" also have the added benefit of being able to afford private schools, if for whatever reason, their public schools do not measure up to their standards they have alternative choices. Therefore, the "haves" are not my greatest concern, rather, it is the "have nots".
Next enters the "have nots". They cannot afford to live in highly taxed areas with high real estate values. Therefore, their local school district is often a "have not" school district that is frequently laden with high drop out rates, high pregnancy rates, high drug abuse rates, high rates of violence with the public schools coupled with poor teaching in general. In inner city schools it is often comparible to trying to get an education in a prison like environment. I guess just send your kid to school and tell them not to bend over for the pencil!! These parents are stuck in their prospective situations and cannot afford private schools nor the ability to move into a nicer area. Now they are being told that, not only can their children not attend an half way decent school in an half way decent learning evironment, they cannot be taught at home as an alternative. Oh yea, that is unless they want to shell out a boat load of money to go get themselves a four year degree at their local university. To drive home the point, I know of parents who cannot afford public schools and lived in a bad school district. Luckily they could afford an apartment in a good school district so they sold their nice 4 bedroom home and cramped into a 2 bedroom apartment so that their children could attend a good public school.
The other reason that this bothers me is that parents often have religious/moral values that they want to pass onto their children. Make no mistake about it, these kids will pick up on such values wherever they are sent. Therefore, it is a type of state sponsered social engineering in my estimation. For example, what if you want to be in control of how your child learns about sex? Should the state be able to step in and mandate how your child learns about sex regardless of your own views? For example, should they be shown videos of sexual like behavoir? Should they be told about various sexual preferances such as homosexuality, transexuality, beastiality etc? I know, I know, you can teach them what you want at home, however, what they pick up at school can be just as influencing. It them becomes a compitition for the soul of your child. Other concerns are wanting to intermix religions teaching with their academic pursuits. You could then say that this is a violation of the right to practice religion in such a case. For example, what if a parents religion demands that their child recieve a certain type of upbringing that neither private or public schools can provide? I guess their only alternative then would be to drop everything they are doing and go get that four year degree!! It is just a shame that the state can decide whatever they want in terms of how to teach your child and what to teach your child and the parents are having fewer and fewer alternatives to this type of social engineering. In a way, it is kind of frightening to me. Things could get a lot worse if and when choices, including private schools, may be a thing of the past. For example, what if the public education system was like that of the children of Palestine who are taught that Zionists and Americans are "evil" and you should desire to be a martyre and go out and kill them? Make no mistake about it, the Palestinian authority is well aware of the power of indoctrination at a very early age. Once you have the minds of a generation of children you have the future minds of the generation to come!!
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by WajomaSome parents homeschool their kids because they don't like the content being taught in public schools, such as evolution and acceptance of diversity. Others do it because the schools around them really are crappy. Some do it because a family member insists on it, often a husband or parent. These are people who make a conscious decision to homeschool and have good intentions. I know another parent whose son was a bully (the whole family were) and he was about to get expelled or suspended. They also wanted to avoid getting involved with Social Services, so they pulled him out of school and claimed to homeschool him. Both parents work full time during the day, and the quality of the siblings' homework makes it pretty clear no education was happening at night either. But my job would be a heck of a lot easier if all I had to do was babysit all day instead of being a social worker in addition to trying to educate children who only come to school once in a while, whose parents are sometimes illiterate in their home language and see school as something to do between trips out of town. It'd sure be nice to stop spending my own money on things for my classroom and for courses I need to keep taking, and to stop spending time planning, grading, and doing research.
I think that parents home school their kids specifically out of concern for their kids - the next generation, rather than unload them for 7 hours at the 'free' daycare center that is the public system.
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungDo you think you should force parents to have their children taught at all?
Do you think you should be permitted to force parents to have their children taught according to your standards and under your conditions?
If so, then your question becomes pointless on the grounds that if we're forcing parents to do anything at all, it may as well be in the best interests of the child.
There are tons of studies indicating that tutoring away from a peer group leads to individualistic behaviour and a lack of social skills.
I guess the law dictates the fashion.
However, I would presume that home education does benefit direct knowledge.
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by whodeyWell, I'm certainly not going to contradict the brain-washing angle you're using here.
First of all, have you ever met a kid who attended public/private schools who did not have any social skills? I have.
Secondly, I think home schools should be allowed for several reasons. The greatest reason, however, is that in the American school system you have the "haves" and "have nots". The "haves" live in highly taxed areas that fund their loc ...[text shortened]... generation of children you have the future minds of the generation to come!!
As a non-parent and a communist and an atheist, it does seem rather regrettable that religious capitalists can screw up my world by doing whatever they please with their children, though.
My original question was (and is unanswered): How do you teach your children peer-related social interaction? Taking into consideration we are a society and all.
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by shavixmirA small fraction of homeschools do a good job of organizing frequent (one per day or one every two days) meet ups with other homeschools. A few even meet with a local public school every so often.
Well, I'm certainly not going to contradict the brain-washing angle you're using here.
As a non-parent and a communist and an atheist, it does seem rather regrettable that religious capitalists can screw up my world by doing whatever they please with their children, though.
My original question was (and is unanswered): How do you teach your children peer-related social interaction? Taking into consideration we are a society and all.