01 Sep 22
@techsouth
But YOU could never come around to believing just how bad Trump really is.
I don't suppose you saw the picture of TS/CSI red flagged papers FBI took from Trump's OFFICE some of them with his writing on them?
So now you figure the entire national security system of the US is bogus and meaningless and there are no such things as spies from other countries and we have no enemies so what's the big deal?
Those CSI docs are at that level because there is data in there of such a nature that people like informants or spies in other countries have been noted by name and if those names get out to the enemy country in question, people will DIE.
But no, Trump would NEVER do that would he, since he is above the law, and he declassified those docs which means now all those folks are totally safe now, right?
I think you are not American and would be dancing in the street if and when the democracy experiment of over 200 years now is gone and some dictator lives permanently in the WH.
Hint: You will not like the America that would represent.
Well, you could do pretty good in that case with your lips firmly up the butt of said dictator.
01 Sep 22
@techsouth said“Funny, most Republicans I know don't know that. ”
Yes everyone knows republicans cheat and lie whilst democrats are all fair minded reasonable people.
Funny, most Republicans I know don't know that.
You don’t like the Biden win so you’ll come out with whatever BS you can think off to cast doubt on it without one shred of actual evidence.
I have added many posts concerning cognitive blind spots and th ...[text shortened]... uld.
What about you. Do you have any biases in politics or are you 100% objective in all things?
Perhaps not getting obvious sarcasm is also a predominantly republican thing.
Democrats, as far as I know accepted the 2016 election result, the evil Hilary Clinton stood up in public and unequivocally accepted her defeat and stepped back.
Why doesn’t it bother your self aware mind that Trump does not have the maturity or decency to do the same, it’s intellectually impossible to speak to any big lie propagator on an equal basis. They have given up any semblance of honesty and integrity. They cut their teeth on denying that the trump campaign, and by association trump himself, colluded in any way with characters from, or at least associated with, the Putin regime.
01 Sep 22
@sonhouse saidHave YOU seen the content of the documents in question?
@techsouth
But YOU could never come around to believing just how bad Trump really is.
I don't suppose you saw the picture of TS/CSI red flagged papers FBI took from Trump's OFFICE some of them with his writing on them?
So now you figure the entire national security system of the US is bogus and meaningless and there are no such things as spies from other countries and w ...[text shortened]... .
Well, you could do pretty good in that case with your lips firmly up the butt of said dictator.
Neither have I.
I think you are not American and would be dancing in the street if and when the democracy experiment of over 200 years now is gone and some dictator lives permanently in the WH.
Hint: You will not like the America that would represent.
That's exactly what I think of Democrats. I may turn out to be wrong and I am not here to argue about something like this since it would do no good. But you should at least be aware that this is how Republicans see Democrats, except that Democrats are the authoritarian ones. The more I observe what's going on around us, the more convinced I am that this is true. The left controls Hollywood, Universities, the Media, Unions, and almost all major social media platforms, yet somehow we're expected to believe the right is the one on the brink of becoming oppressive. Sorry if I don't share your fear.
You'll probably never come across this in the media you normally consume, but here is a illustrative write up about how blind the left is to its own authoritarianism:
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2016/06/study-linking-authoritarianism-to-conservatives-retracted/
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01 Sep 22
@techsouth saidOh, hypothetical?
I am having deja vu. It seems like this answer is a repeat of some previous conversation. Actually, it seems like a repeat of thousands of previous conversations. Is that entertaining to you?
I presented a hypothetical scenario.
You seem to have accepted the first part of the premise. That being that Trump IS as bad as Democrats claim.
The second part is "if ...[text shortened]... I could find that information all over the Internet and on practically any other thread here on RHP.
A what if, huh?
Probably should post, something like that,
in the 'Spirituality' section of FORUM.
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01 Sep 22
@techsouth saidYeah and let's not forget, all those left-wing,
Have YOU seen the content of the documents in question?
Neither have I.
I think you are not American and would be dancing in the street if and when the democracy experiment of over 200 years now is gone and some dictator lives permanently in the WH.
Hint: You will not like the America that would represent.
That's exactly what I think of Democrats. I m ...[text shortened]...
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2016/06/study-linking-authoritarianism-to-conservatives-retracted/
voter suppression laws.
02 Sep 22
@techsouth
So you figure there is nothing wrong with an X POTUS stealing TS and up docs and storing them in an unsecured place, actually several places inside his home.
Sounds like you are dancing in the streets that lives might be lost when spies and informants working for the US are found out, may have ALREADY been found out.
Do you seriously think nobody would notice, like foreign spies, working their way into ML to photograph those docs with a cell phone?
Are you just daft or really working for another country?
You could care less WHO gets killed over the release of extremely sensitive data like the names of witnesses, informants and spies working for the US.
GOOD WORK COMRADE.
02 Sep 22
@sonhouse saidDo you have anything different to say?
@techsouth
So you figure there is nothing wrong with an X POTUS stealing TS and up docs and storing them in an unsecured place, actually several places inside his home.
Sounds like you are dancing in the streets that lives might be lost when spies and informants working for the US are found out, may have ALREADY been found out.
Do you seriously think nobody would notice, ...[text shortened]... ive data like the names of witnesses, informants and spies working for the US.
GOOD WORK COMRADE.
This has been asked and answered.
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02 Sep 22
@techsouth saidSo is slavery
Like having to be alive?
You realize voter ID is FAR more common in the rest of the world?
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03 Sep 22
@techsouth saidDo you realise that, in the rest of the world, voter ID is provided by the state, for a nominal fee, and isn't made much harder to get for the poor (and black, though that isn't nearly as much of a problem in the civilised world than in your racist backwater) than for the rich?
You realize voter ID is FAR more common in the rest of the world?
Do you realise that in the civilised world, anyone can get to a voting booth with only a quarter hours' walk? And that there won't be a queue of four hours to be allowed to vote? And that providing drinking water to those in the queue isn't merely completely unnecessary, but is also not criminalised?
Do you not realise that you live in a parody of a democracy?
03 Sep 22
@shallow-blue saidYou realize the game Democrats play to create the perception of long voting lines don't you?
Do you realise that, in the rest of the world, voter ID is provided by the state, for a nominal fee, and isn't made much harder to get for the poor (and black, though that isn't nearly as much of a problem in the civilised world than in your racist backwater) than for the rich?
Do you realise that in the civilised world, anyone can get to a voting booth with only a qu ...[text shortened]... ssary, but is also not criminalised?
Do you not realise that you live in a parody of a democracy?
Take this article. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
Here is a tweet quoted in the article...
I have voted all my life. But when I rolled up to Friendship-West Baptist Church this AM, and I saw this massive line after the polls had been open 27 minutes, the tears just hit me. I was listening to
@treysongz
song, “2020 Riots: How Many Times,” and it just hit me.
Can you spot the problem with this reporting? Or do you need me to explain it to you?
Also, the majority of places that require photo ID also provide free ID. In any case, you're going to need some ID and proof of residency to register to vote in the first place. And after years and years, no new agency has conducted an interview with a single person who wanted to vote and could not obtain an ID.
Here is you're chance to educate me. Of those states in the US that have voter ID or have tried to pass it, what is the most costly voter ID you can find? In every place I look, it is free to get a picture ID for voting, but I haven't looked at them all. You mention "nominal fee". Tell me what is NOT a nominal fee and find me a place in the US that has even tried to pass voter ID laws that hasn't offered something better. Tell me an okay nominal fee for you.
The idea that ID is difficult for blacks to get is itself racist.
Electioneering is not allowed in voting lines in some most and may include restrictions on giving away pamphlets, pens, hundred dollar bills, and food/water. If anyone wants to make water available at unattended booths, they can. The perception that many of us are standing in long lines to vote is more a narrative spun by democrats than a reality.
@techsouth saidI don't know if you're an outright liar or just incredibly ignorant. The number of polling places has been slashed in red States esp. in areas with predominantly POC voters. Georgia is a good example:
You realize the game Democrats play to create the perception of long voting lines don't you?
Take this article. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
Here is a tweet quoted in the article...
[i]I have voted all my life. But when I rolled up to Friendship-West Baptist Church this AM, and I saw this massive line after the polls had been open 27 minutes, ...[text shortened]... many of us are standing in long lines to vote is more a narrative spun by democrats than a reality.
"Since the U.S. Supreme Court's Shelby v. Holder decision in 2013 eliminated key federal oversight of election decisions in states with histories of discrimination, Georgia's voter rolls have grown by nearly 2 million people, yet polling locations have been cut statewide by nearly 10%, according to an analysis of state and local records by Georgia Public Broadcasting and ProPublica. Much of the growth has been fueled by younger, nonwhite voters, especially in nine metro Atlanta counties, where four out of five new voters were nonwhite, according to the Georgia secretary of state's office.
The metro Atlanta area has been hit particularly hard. The nine counties — Fulton, Gwinnett, Forsyth, DeKalb, Cobb, Hall, Cherokee, Henry and Clayton — have nearly half of the state's active voters but only 38% of the polling places, according to the analysis.
As a result, the average number of voters packed into each polling location in those counties grew by nearly 40%, from about 2,600 in 2012 to more than 3,600 per polling place as of Oct. 9, the analysis shows."
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
If reading isn't your thing, here's some pictures for ya: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/13/more-than-10-hour-wait-and-long-lines-as-early-voting-starts-in-georgia
Right wingers complaining about voter ID are bitching about a battle they already won; "A total of 35 states have laws requesting or requiring voters to show some form of identification at the polls. Scroll over the map below for state-by-state details."
"The remaining 15 states and D.C. use other methods to verify the identity of voters. Most frequently, other identifying information provided at the polling place, such as a signature, is checked against information on file."
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx
Early voter ID laws had no requirement the State had to furnish a free ID; that only became true because of court decisions.