https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/27/proud-boys-leader-prolific-snitch-for-law-enforcement-reuters
Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators after he was arrested in 2012, according to a former prosecutor and a transcript of a 2014 federal court proceeding obtained by Reuters...
The prosecutor said Tarrio’s information had led to the prosecution of 13 people on federal charges in two separate cases, and had helped local authorities investigate a gambling ring.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/new-details-about-whitey-bulgers-death-revealed-in-court-hearing-for-accused-killers/2816203/
...the slaying of 89-year-old Bulger during a detention hearing for 36-year-old McKinnon, who is charged with conspiring with two other men — Fotios “Freddy” Geas, 55, and Paul J. DeCologero, 48 — to kill Bulger hours after he arrived at Hazelton from another lockup in Florida.
Bulger’s killing has raised questions about why the known “snitch” was transferred to the troubled prison, known as “Misery Mountain,” and why he was placed in the general population instead of more protective housing.
Bulger, who ran the largely Irish mob in Boston in the 1970s and ’80s, served as an FBI informant who ratted on his gang’s main rival, according to the bureau. He later became one of the nation’s most-wanted fugitives.
Hmmmmmmmm..."protective housing" to protect snitches...that usually means solitary confinement to keep vengeful criminals from getting close enough to kill the informant...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protective_custody
Protective custody might simply involve putting the person in a secure prison (if the threat is from the outside), but usually protective custody involves some degree of solitary confinement
15 Sep 23
@athousandyoung saidWhat dishonesty?
No problem. It broadcasts your dishonesty for all to see.
15 Sep 23
@athousandyoung said
As someone once said when avoiding defending his outrageous claims,
I wont be playing your game.
@athousandyoung saidATY quoted myself as saying 'I won't be playing your game'.
Can you handle any more than five words at a time, I was referring to the never ending game where you give an example of someone who had it hard, then I give an example of someone who had it easy etc etc.
Now what dishonesty?
15 Sep 23
@wajoma saidi haven't followed the thread and don't care, but your post reeks of desperation. Whatever the argument was, you lost. Just admit it and move on.
ATY quoted myself as saying 'I won't be playing your game'.
Can you handle any more than five words at a time, I was referring to the never ending game where you give an example of someone who had it hard, then I give an example of someone who had it easy etc etc.
Now what dishonesty?
15 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidI accept that people have differences of opinion, my opinion is that I have no claim on your life, it would be nice if more people reciprocated.
i haven't followed the thread and don't care, but your post reeks of desperation. Whatever the argument was, you lost. Just admit it and move on.
In the last few pages soothfast has played the race card, the hypocrisy card and now ATY is playing the dishonesty card. Surely the evidence of such would be easy enough to provide, don't need to copy/paste from wiki, don't need to see what the talking heads at MSNBC say, just point out what I said that was racist, hypocritical or dishonest.
15 Sep 23
Michael Franceze:
I realized 'The Life' was in trouble. Everybody I knew was 'going away' forever...guys were...getting convicted for 100 years, 300 years...I tried to make the government think I was going to clean up my life - cause I really intended to..they'd talk to me, I'd tell them things...but I would never implicate anybody in a crime
I guess this Cosa Nostra capo had more 'integrity' than Tarrio.
@no1marauder saidA, B, C and D could easily happen without it being seditious conspiracy.
You know what is "preposterous"? Your ridiculous "hold yer breath until you turn blue" strategy.
So far, we've got proof from their own words of the Proud Boys A) Going to Washington DC en masse on January 6th, 2021, the day the EC count was to be certified at the Capitol; B) Of 100 or more of them gathering at the Washington Monument (a short walk to the Capitol) that ...[text shortened]... to stop the EC certification or a nutty apologist for them praising their "honesty" and "integrity"?
A/ Also the day a lot of other people were gathering, it's reasonable to attend protests when other people are going to be there.
B/ Not a PB event, if you're going to count the PB that attended you also need to count those that did not attend, and what you end up with is a big nothing.
C/ Have you ever attended a protest, lot's of people bring bull horns, they're used to start chants normally.
D/ 'Storm the Capitol' can mean a lot of things, it does not necessarily mean enter through point 'A', find pollie 'B', hold them hostage until that write certain statements 'C'.
E/ 'Heading to the senate chamber' do you have proof this was their stated destination, which trespassers were heading to the senate chamber, the scene looks more chaotic with people meandering in every which direction than a directed operation. Was the guy stealing a lectern in on it, the guy with the viking costume, the point being it had no head it was chaos, there was no plan. Even the most basic of plans might have stationed people at critical points and set up barricades to stop the cops getting in, rounding up any cops and locking them in a room or kicking them out. You see what happens when you try to play out the master plan scenario, it just get's ridiculous. Which is why I keep asking that question, play out the scenario try to create a realistic plan.
The issue is that your religion, i.e. state worship has been disrespected and like the god botherers of old you're prepared to use force to make people to kneel before your idols and temples.
16 Sep 23
@wajoma saidYour Dream World "explanations" of Points A-D have been thoroughly refuted throughout this thread and I won't waste further time on them.
A, B, C and D could easily happen without it being seditious conspiracy.
A/ Also the day a lot of other people were gathering, it's reasonable to attend protests when other people are going to be there.
B/ Not a PB event, if you're going to count the PB that attended you also need to count those that did not attend, and what you end up with is a big nothing.
C/ Have you e ...[text shortened]... botherers of old you're prepared to use force to make people to kneel before your idols and temples.
Paragraph 102 of the Indictment has Biggs and other Proud Boys proceeding directly to the Senate Chamber after re-entering the Capitol. At paragraph 96 on video he says: "We have taken the Capitol."
Paragraph 97: Tarrio posts on social media: "Do what must be done."
Paragraph 99: Tarrio posts on social media: "Don't f***ing leave!"
So he was directing the group while the seizing of the Capitol was ongoing.
16 Sep 23
@no1marauder saidNo need to announce it, just go.
Your Dream World "explanations" of Points A-D have been thoroughly refuted throughout this thread and I won't waste further time on them.
Paragraph 102 of the Indictment has Biggs and other Proud Boys proceeding directly to the Senate Chamber after re-entering the Capitol. At paragraph 96 on video he says: "We have taken the Capitol."
Paragraph 97: Tarrio posts on s ...[text shortened]... Don't f***ing leave!"
So he was directing the group while the seizing of the Capitol was ongoing.
"We have taken the capitol" Does not indicate a plan, with or without a plan it is a statement pertinent to the situation.
"Do what must be done" Not: go to A, find person 'B', make them sign document US-117-576B-5799CC'
"Don't f***ing leave" If anything this works in favor of the no plan scenario, if they had a plan they'd have this planned at the very least i.e. what to do once you got there. No one would need to be told this.
"He was directing the group..." This is really, I think the nail in the coffin for your conspiracy theory, PBs knew they were being watched, do you think they'd be broadcasting their plan to the FBI, CIA or whoever.
@athousandyoung saidhaha ATY and his tough guy prison lingo.
Snitches end up in ditches. Not worth it.
I said it incentivizes lying. You don't need to dob a real person, you make up any old story to get some relief, some one's threatening your life if you implicate them, give the cops someone else.
Do you deny the incentive. Do you deny this happens.
16 Sep 23
@wajoma saidLMAO! I see you ignored the " proceeding directly to the Senate Chamber after re-entering the Capitol" part.
No need to announce it, just go.
"We have taken the capitol" Does not indicate a plan, with or without a plan it is a statement pertinent to the situation.
"Do what must be done" Not: go to A, find person 'B', make them sign document US-117-576B-5799CC'
"Don't f***ing leave" If anything this works in favor of the no plan scenario, if they had a p ...[text shortened]... they were being watched, do you think they'd be broadcasting their plan to the FBI, CIA or whoever.
What a coincidence that was!
@no1marauder saidI would need to see a drawing of the Capitol building to explain this one away, can we establish that is not a statement from Biggs or Tarrio. In a building of that size there are probably only four different likely directions to chose from.
LMAO! I see you ignored the " proceeding directly to the Senate Chamber after re-entering the Capitol" part.
What a coincidence that was!
Let's see their route, they must have this, did they deviate.
Why did they exit then re-enter? If they had a plan, this leaving and returning thing, what's that about?
Edit: "...after re-entering the Capitol..." indicates indirect, the opposite of the word 'directly' used in the very same sentence.
16 Sep 23
@wajoma said"As the nation has grown so has the U.S. Capitol: today it covers well over 1.5 million square feet, has over 600 rooms, and miles of corridors. "
I would need to see a drawing of the Capitol building to explain this one away, can we establish that is not a statement from Biggs or Tarrio. In a building of that size there are probably only four different likely directions to chose from.
Let's see their route, they must have this, did they deviate.
Why did they exit then re-enter? If they had a plan, this leaving a ...[text shortened]... itol..[/i]." indicates indirect, the opposite of the word 'directly' used in the very same sentence.
https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/buildings-grounds/capitol-building
And they just so happened to make their way to the room where the Electoral College certification would have been held except for the prompt evacuation.
Obviously, that was completely random and not part of any plan.