07 Jun 22
@wajoma saidThat is laughable nonsense from a defender of capitalism. That economic system is designed to discourage and block as many as possible from leaving the workforce and being outside the control of those who own the vast bulk of private property.
Nothing stifles and holds the little guy where he is quite as much as goobermint regulation and taxation. Most small guys with big dreams are simply beaten down and dissuaded from expanding by the labyrinth. Your state worshipping style favours the big guys who employ lawyers and consultants which the small guy can't.
It is you that keeps them in their [i]"proper place"** ...[text shortened]... i].
** I suspect this is from spoodge.com but No1 did not attribute it, it could be a scare quote
@kevcvs57 saidOh I like it, politicians are idiots, not bad, the sentiment is there but I give them a little more credit than you, along the lines of; conniving, dishonest, scheming, schadenfreudic, psychopathic scum than idiots. biden is pretty much an idiot now but that's senility rather than idiocy. Off the top of my head AOC is close to an idiot, oh and that guy that thought Guam might tip over if they sent too many troops there.
I’m not ranting wajoma but I will not accept right wing small government arguments as in some way liberating. It just means we swap power from the idiots we can vote out of power for corporate pigs that we cannot vote out of power.
Let me think about, er no.
I want a strong government to legislate for control of business for certain core things like exploitation of the work force, environmental controls and tax issues.
Not sure was he a Dim or a Republican?
But apart from that you do see the difference between the corporation and goobermint.
The goobermint sells you something (a bridge, a dis-education system, a die while you wait healthcare system, 4 jabs of ineffective vax) whether you want it or not, and then they charge you whatever they want with taxes on your income, tax on your spending, tax on your property, tax for things like licenses and a passport, tax to drive your vehicle on the road, tax to put gas in your vehicle, even tax on taxes.
Now let's look at the corporation, you don't like them, you don't deal with them.
And then there's the fact you're a fanboy for the biggest baddest corporation of them all, the corporation that has a franchise** on the initiation of force and threats of force.
**along with organisations like MS13, the mafia, the Mongrel Mob (NZ), Hells Angels (International), the Bandidos (Aus) a bunch of Mexican cartels, the CCP, ISIS,
08 Jun 22
@no1marauder saidWe're in agreement, the current system with it's ever growing buratcracy, taxation, and fees does block the little guy from breaking free.
That is laughable nonsense from a defender of capitalism. That economic system is designed to discourage and block as many as possible from leaving the workforce and being outside the control of those who own the vast bulk of private property.
08 Jun 22
@no1marauder saidOTT regulation, fees, buratcracy and taxation is in no way an aspect of capitalism.
That is a feature of any capitalist system not a glitch.
It hurts the small guy the most, who may well be, himself, a devout capitalist.
Here's a recent example, hiking the tax on the working mans car (ute in NZ and Aus, pick-up in the US)
https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/ute-tax-here-no-joke
08 Jun 22
@wajoma saidThe limitation of competition to favor the wealthy is.
OTT regulation, fees, buratcracy and taxation is in no way an aspect of capitalism.
It hurts the small guy the most, who may well be, himself, a devout capitalist.
Here's a recent example, hiking the tax on the working mans car (ute in NZ and Aus, pick-up in the US)
https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/ute-tax-here-no-joke
@no1marauder saidYou're using non-standard definitions.
The limitation of competition to favor the wealthy is.
Again!!
Edit: BTW, what are you defining here, is capitalism, rightwingedness, far right wing, what?
No reputable definition of capitalism has a minimum wealth stipulation, we don't even need to look because your own stupid definition is so obviously wrong. A Co that is barely solvent (i.e. extremely un-wealthy) is more motivated to attempt to limit competition than a wealthy Co that is struggling to keep up with demand.
The problems occur when goobermint get's involved, one example being abuse of eminent domain. The small guy is forced to sell only to see a commercial development take place on what was once his land. This example it is not capitalism. And when it's commercial development it reeks of back room deals with those that have the power to initiate force and threats of force i.e. your pals, the state.
09 Jun 22
@sonhouse saidDon't know why the jump to minimum wage, there have been numerous threads devoted to this single subject.
@Wajoma
So for you it must be criminal for countries to establish minimum wage laws to allow folks to not go homeless or those places giving a certain amount a month to allow folks to actually raise families. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS THOSE CREEPY COMMIES.
Here's what I know, with absolute 100% certainty, if I want to sell an hour of my time for $1000 or $10 or 10 cents, and I can find another person that is happy to pay $1000 or $10 or 10 cents, then that absolutely 100% certainly is none of your business.
Also, advocates for minimum wage have got a bunch of stuff in their house, maybe even wearing it directly on their body produced by people earning wayyyyy under the local minimum wage making them, hypocrites.
09 Jun 22
@wajoma saidCan I vote for a new board of directors though?
Oh I like it, politicians are idiots, not bad, the sentiment is there but I give them a little more credit than you, along the lines of; conniving, dishonest, scheming, schadenfreudic, psychopathic scum than idiots. biden is pretty much an idiot now but that's senility rather than idiocy. Off the top of my head AOC is close to an idiot, oh and that guy that thought Guam migh ...[text shortened]... ob (NZ), Hells Angels (International), the Bandidos (Aus) a bunch of Mexican cartels, the CCP, ISIS,
Wether or not you prefer unfettered capitalism to government regulation is a state of mind
Your obviously of the opinion that we are not social animals that cooperate for our mutual benefit but rather predators that live a solitary existence whereby the weak go to the wall and the strong thrive.
I have no delusions about the down side of strong government, it definitely does result in a reduction of personal freedoms. But your claim that weak government and unbridled corporations lead to greater freedoms and increased choice is really delusional. The first thing that will happen in the absence of government is monopolisation of goods and services, start ups will be crushed by the established big players and the consumer will be reduced to serfdom given just enough to enable them to service the corporate dystopia and keep the corporate dynasties in control of your destiny.
Capitalism cannot perform its positive functions of innovation and wealth production without strong democratic control.
10 Jun 22
@kevcvs57 said"Can I vote for a new board of directors though?"
Can I vote for a new board of directors though?
Wether or not you prefer unfettered capitalism to government regulation is a state of mind
Your obviously of the opinion that we are not social animals that cooperate for our mutual benefit but rather predators that live a solitary existence whereby the weak go to the wall and the strong thrive.
I have no delusions about th ...[text shortened]... erform its positive functions of innovation and wealth production without strong democratic control.
Would you want to, how many corporations are there kev, naturally you'd want to make an informed choice right, you'd like to read an understand all there is about each and every one of them, then study each candidate. This is one of the most ridiculous things on here in sometime. kev hates freedom because he wouldn't be able to vote for a thousand different CEO's.
The biggest and baddest corporations (besides the biggest and baddest of them all, the state) are there because of the state, they get to where they are by getting into the incestuous bed with the state.
"Your {sic} obviously of the opinion...
Whenever I see this you can guarantee it will not be my opinion, and kev does not let us down. I absolutely cooperate for mutual benefit, it could be on the basis of friendship, it could be the employer/employee relationship, it could be the cafe/diner relationship, or a million others. The difference between you and I is that I believe these interactions should be free from coercion, where as you prefer force and threats of force.
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10 Jun 22
@wajoma saidSo says, 'The Creepy Kiwi.'
Right, the guy with thousands of dollars worth of guns was some kind of robin hood revolutionary shooting up poor folk to redestribute their wealth.
BTW, there's no such thing as free education or free healthcare. Goobermint stinks up the word 'free'. Genuine benevolence is dissuaded and destroyed by goobermint programs.
10 Jun 22
@vivify saidBut the 2nd amendment!!
John Oliver's piece regarding the aftermath of gun restrictions passed by conservative politicians in Australia:
[youtube]A0FLsIzNxkI[/youtube]
For those who won't watch: 0 mass shootings since the gun laws were passed in 1996, as well as a significant drop in homicides. These laws were passed by conservative politicians against the wishes of their own base.
I wish American conservatives had the balls those guys did.
Repeal it?
WHAT!!
Like you did the 18th.
10 Jun 22
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@wajoma saidMore corporate fantasy island from wajoma.
"Can I vote for a new board of directors though?"
Would you want to, how many corporations are there kev, naturally you'd want to make an informed choice right, you'd like to read an understand all there is about each and every one of them, then study each candidate. This is one of the most ridiculous things on here in sometime. kev hates freedom because he wouldn' ...[text shortened]... eve these interactions should be free from coercion, where as you prefer force and threats of force.
Corporations are what gum up Democracy and they do it in a very determined way to gain political control over their employees and consumers.
Corporations are what Poison our land, seas, waterways and the air we breath. They do it in a determined way to make a profit which in turn is used to gain the political power to get away with it.
wajoma would have us believe that corporations are being corrupted by democracy when it is so blatantly obvious that it’s democracy that is being corrupted by corporations in order to coerce and control the individual and bend society to their will.
wajoma would have the human race abandon government by democracy and throw itself on the tender mercies of the corporations. I have to admire his efforts to try and sell slavery but I’m not buying it.
11 Jun 22
@kevcvs57 saidCorporations corrupt democracy, the state corrupts the corporations.
More corporate fantasy island from wajoma.
Corporations are what gum up Democracy and they do it in a very determined way to gain political control over their employees and consumers.
Corporations are what Poison our land, seas, waterways and the air we breath. They do it in a determined way to make a profit which in turn is used to gain the political power to get away wit ...[text shortened]... ies of the corporations. I have to admire his efforts to try and sell slavery but I’m not buying it.
There's a particularly apt P J O'Rourke quote:
"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation the first to be bought and sold are the legislators"
What is it that the state has to sell kev. they don't produce anything, the white house isn't sitting on top of a gold mine, so what is it lobbyists lobby for on behalf of corporations?
F O R C E.
The goobermint has the ability to force you to pay for experimental ineffective vaccines, the goobermint has the ability to force you to pay for their wars and bombs and their fancy offices. How would it be if Pfizer couldn't get you to pay for their drugs by force. They'd have to produce a product that you'd willingly prchase from them, you'd have to assess the benefits for yourself, and that's a good thing. It's the goobermint that makes these corporations powerful because the corporations help make the politicians powerful.
Libertarians believe in reducing the goobermints ability to use force and threats of force against you. Libertarians believe in reducing the goobermints ability to sell F O R C E This would reduce corporations interest in influencing goobermint, there'd be no benefit for them to pour millions into Washington.