@Ponderable saidDepends on what the investigation says. If there is a cock and bull story about why the chopper went straight into the plane, which they clearly saw in front of them, then I will choose not to believe it either. Not all investigations are reliable.
Are you open to reconsider after the investigation?
@Rajk999 saidFor what it's worth the helicopter pilot was wearing night vision specs.
If there is a cock and bull story about why the chopper went straight into the plane, which they clearly saw in front of them, then I will choose not to believe it either.
The plane was banked so it could land on 33.
In other words the plane was invisible to the helicopter given that the helicopter flew into the underside of the plane. Also we see the accident from a reverse angle with lights blazing. This was not the view afforded the helicopter pilot.
People say ordinary things in the wake of a senseless loss of life. Let's remember the fallen.
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@Rajk999 saidHere's one very likely possibility:
Depends on what the investigation says. If there is a cock and bull story about why the chopper went straight into the plane, which they clearly saw in front of them, then I will choose not to believe it either. Not all investigations are reliable.
"Facts:
1. American Airlines flight 5432 (LANDING FLIGHT), a CRJ700 operated by PSA airlines, was inbound to runway 33 on whats called "short final", the last stage of landing, about 400 feet in altitude.
2. An Army Blackhawk training flight PAT25 (HELICOPTER) was flying perpendicular to the flight path of 5432 along the Potomac river. The Potomac is a designated helicopter flight path / flight corridor.
3. PAT25 was flying on Visual Flight Rules (VFR); flight 4532 on Instrument Flight Rules (IFR). This means that flight 5432 had priority and the helicopter should have been constantly looking out visually for other aircraft.
4. Moments before the crash, the DCA tower called to PAT25 and asked them to confirm they had the "[other] aircraft in sight".
5. PAT25 replied that they had the aircraft in sight.
Opinion:
PAT25 actually had another aircraft, the DEPARTING FLIGHT, in sight, and did not realize PAT25 was descending directly into its flight path.
https://x.com/visionik/status/[WORD TOO LONG].newsweek.com%2Fnew-angle-black-hawk-crashing-plane-raises-questions-2024199
EDIT: It's on visionik's account on X. https://x.com/visionik
@kmax87 saidIm not too sure that the night vision specs theory is sound. Experts in this area have said these devices are not usually worn in brightly lit city areas because it reduces vision instead of helping. In any case were all 3 pilots wearing these? All 3 were affected? Makes no sense.
For what it's worth the helicopter pilot was wearing night vision specs.
The plane was banked so it could land on 33.
In other words the plane was invisible to the helicopter given that the helicopter flew into the underside of the plane. Also we see the accident from a reverse angle with lights blazing. This was not the view afforded the helicopter pilot.
People say ordinary things in the wake of a senseless loss of life. Let's remember the fallen.
The plane banking story and PAT25 could not see it also does not fit.
Anyway lets see what the investigators say although cover ups are expected if some big guns are at fault.
We can remember the fallen by ensuring the truth comes out so that corrective action can be taken to avoid another similar disaster.
@no1marauder saidOf course it is entirely possible that the wrong plane was positively identified and avoided. It does not explain why 3 pilots could not see that they were about to crash into the jet head on.
Here's one very likely possibility:
"Facts:
1. American Airlines flight 5432 (LANDING FLIGHT), a CRJ700 operated by PSA airlines, was inbound to runway 33 on whats called "short final", the last stage of landing, about 400 feet in altitude.
2. An Army Blackhawk training flight PAT25 (HELICOPTER) was flying perpendicular to the flight path of 5432 along the Potomac ri ...[text shortened]... hing-plane-raises-questions-2024199
EDIT: It's on visionik's account on X. https://x.com/visionik
@kmax87 saidOne other point here. From the reports it appears that the chopper was good 100 ft above the plane, not below it. How could it hit the underside of the plane?
In other words the plane was invisible to the helicopter given that the helicopter flew into the underside of the plane.
@Rajk999 saidTrump officials contacted air traffic controllers and asked them to leave their jobs. Then this happened. Trump blamed DEI.
You are saying the same thing in different words.
Some men are sheep or sycophants.
Some men are leaders.
You think those are your only options.
@kmax87 saidThe jet was travelling north and banked left to land on 33. The helicopter was travelling south and was at least 100 ft too high. The footage is from the south and both vehicles are lit up seemingly impossible to ignore, except its entirely probable that because the plane was banked over to the left, the helicopter was "looking" at the underside of the jet and flew straight into it given that in the helicopter's line of sight there were lights from the roadways and buildings below.
The plane was banked over so it could land on 33.
Personally I don't know what happened, but of all the theories promoted by various channels, this theory seems to fit Occam's razor best.
@wildgrass saidFor sure some bad decisions there.
Trump officials contacted air traffic controllers and asked them to leave their jobs. Then this happened. Trump blamed DEI.
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@wildgrass saidShe was a Biden dei placement and lacked the experience to be flying in that airspace at that time.
Trump officials contacted air traffic controllers and asked them to leave their jobs. Then this happened. Trump blamed DEI.
@kmax87 saidRight ... so I had a look at a few of the videos, both the real and the simulated ones and it appears that the CRJ had done all the turns, and banked left or right as required, and was on a straight level glide-path into runway 33. Then the black hawk hit. Check it yourself.
The plane was banked over so it could land on 33.
