NC antibody study implies 0.125% COVID IFR

@soothfast said
Not at all. Refined treatment protocols such as those sh76 mention are all very well and good, but they are in no way a cure, and many of the medications mentioned can have serious side effects. They won't win us through the pandemic, but they should help lower death rates some. Most of the medications are only recommended for those on death's doorstep, because some of t ...[text shortened]... r. It is still not at all clear a vaccine can be developed for this virus, though I remain hopeful.

Covid will not go away unless you shut down travel, which includes shutting down the borders. Are we prepared to stop international travel and shut down our borders to stop illegal immigration?

@eladar said
Covid will not go away unless you shut down travel, which includes shutting down the borders. Are we prepared to stop international travel and shut down our borders to stop illegal immigration?

You said it would go away in the summer, just like the flu. It's on record. Why doesn't the flu persist into the summer by circulating in AC systems, and absent any travel bans or sealed borders? Like a virus your BS mutates to adapt to each new environment, but only in a direction that's in service to a preconceived, fixed set of axioms that just so happens to rhyme and chime with all the latest buzz on the alt-right. That's usin' the ol' noggin.

Because the disinformation you spread could cost lives, I'm not going to be nice. You're a small-time charlatan and snake oil salesman, but alas you don't even have a catchy pitch to wow the townspeople with. What you offer is made up garbage that you doodle into the gaps in cherry-picked data sets while continually appealing to "the best epidemiologists," whom you never name but always claim are saying things that any living thing not rooted in a pot of soil can perceive as patently absurd or demonstrably false.

You've tacitly given up, I guess, on most of the biological quackery you were trying to cram like a square peg through a round hole all spring, and appear to have pivoted to "The death toll is insignificant compared to population size" and "We shouldn't do anything to counter Covid because the only thing that would work is taking away our FREEDUMBZ."

I do hope you're self-isolating your crap to just this backwater burg.

@soothfast said
You said it would go away in the summer, just like the flu. It's on record. Why doesn't the flu persist into the summer by circulating in AC systems, and absent any travel bans or sealed borders? Like a virus your BS mutates to adapt to each new environment, but only in a direction that's in service to a preconceived, fixed set of axioms that just so happens to rhyme and ...[text shortened]... ing away our FREEDUMBZ."

I do hope you're self-isolating your crap to just this backwater burg.

It would go away during the summer, if there was no intermation travel reintroducing it.

It would go away in the summer if people spent their time outdoors, not indoors.

It would go away during this summer if Trump were not up for re election.

All of this adds up to proganda trying to make things look as bad as possible.

So yeah, I did not take into account politics and lack of border security. But even so, you are seeing a dramatic dip in covid deaths thanks to summer. As summer continues, as long as people get out in the sun, the numbers will continue to drop.

But that does not mean that peopke like you will not continue to spread the propaganda that covid is killing thousands in Texas and Arizona!

@eladar said
It would go away during the summer, if there was no intermation travel reintroducing it.

It would go away in the summer if people spent their time outdoors, not indoors.

It would go away during this summer if Trump were not up for re election.

All of this adds up to proganda trying to make things look as bad as possible.

So yeah, I did not take into account politic ...[text shortened]... you will not continue to spread the propaganda that covid is killing thousands in Texas and Arizona!

What's your definition of "go away"?

@soothfast said
What's your definition of "go away"?

Go away?

Insignificant numbers of deaths.

In a country of 328 million a few hundred deaths a day.

@eladar said
But that does not mean that peopke like you will not continue to spread the propaganda that covid is killing thousands in Texas and Arizona!

I believe Texas, Arizona, and Florida will each see at least a couple thousand deaths over the next couple months, but the uptick in deaths won't commence in earnest until early July. The virus will kill thousands, and I have never said it is already happening.

With luck the elderly will keep practicing distancing, mask-wearing, and other precautions. If they do, we may see the IFR go down as the virus stays primarily in younger demographics. This may blunt the spike in deaths and increase the lag-time between infections and deaths.

@eladar said
Go away?

Insignificant numbers of deaths.

In a country of 328 million a few hundred deaths a day.

That's not what I would define as "going away."

The US has gotten to a point for several weeks now of having just "a few hundred deaths a day," and governors foolishly rushed to open up their state economies. Now we are witnessing the consequences.

@soothfast said
That's not what I would define as "going away."

The US has gotten to a point for several weeks now of having just "a few hundred deaths a day," and governors foolishly rushed to open up their state economies. Now we are witnessing the consequences.

20 deaths per state is nothing.

@eladar said
20 deaths per state is nothing.

LOL.

Goal posts moving again!

Next you'll be taking the deaths down to the county level.

@eladar said
20 deaths per state is nothing.

So are you saying the virus has already gone away? Can't be...

On the one hand you're saying the Sunbelt states are indeed in a pandemic pickle due to bad policy, but on the other hand the current daily death count in the nation as a whole fits your definition of the virus "going away"; yet then on the third hand you said further up this page that "It would go away during the summer, if there was no intermation travel reintroducing it" -- which indicates that you don't think the virus has gone away yet while at the same time ignoring the evidence that viral transmission is now primarily being driven by community spread.

But yeah, blame immigrants. Good idea. Fascists have never done that before.

@soothfast said
LOL.

Goal posts moving again!

Next you'll be taking the deaths down to the county level.

The US averages 8000 Deaths per Day pre COVID. The population that is susceptible to death is small and decreasing ( maybe 50 million older than 65) and most of the COVID deaths overlap with the 8k figure. If you count that group as complete fatalities that would have only happened this year due to COVID it’s a 2.5% increase in deaths. The reality is it is substantially less.

@soothfast said
LOL.

Goal posts moving again!

Next you'll be taking the deaths down to the county level.

No, just pointing out the stupidity of what is going on to make sure Trump does not get re elected.

@eladar said
No, just pointing out the stupidity of what is going on to make sure Trump does not get re elected.

Maybe be more constructive and work for the Biden campaign. Or at least say good things about him online. I dunno. Spouting unsubstantiated nonsense about matters of epidemiology that you know less about than a box of hammers seems hardly productive.

@joe-shmo said
The US averages 8000 Deaths per Day pre COVID. The population that is susceptible to death is small and decreasing ( maybe 50 million older than 65) and most of the COVID deaths overlap with the 8k figure. If you count that group as complete fatalities that would have only happened this year due to COVID it’s a 2.5% increase in deaths. The reality is it is substantially less.

I am not comfortable gambling the lives of possibly hundreds of thousands of people by shaping public health policy around your "maybes." The first rule of crisis management is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

That's right. Prepare for the worst.

You're overly fixated on death counts, I might add. They're bad, but the permanent organ damage many survivors are suffering, and the mounting evidence that even some asymptomatic young people are exhibiting significant subclinical lung damage, are just as significant.