06 Jun 12
Originally posted by KazetNagorraWas normbenign suggesting that the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago might not have done it if their parents had used physical violence against them when they were little children?
If you have children, I pity them.
06 Jun 12
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Originally posted by FMFHow do you get that out of this FMF ?
Was normbenign suggesting that the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago might not have done it if their parents had used physical violence against them when they were little children?
"The parents of the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago, had parents that simply didn't know what they were doing, and put them on drugs to keep them under control." -normbenign
06 Jun 12
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYeah he did actually, what do you think he was saying? My children are all grown up and have not shot or bludgeoned anybody so far, in fact they have never brought the police to my door, which is more than my own slap happy parents and teachers could say of me.
If you have children, I pity them.
I made point of using reasoned argument coupled with a retraction of certain freedoms and favoured items, you know like the mods do.
P.s I pity you!
06 Jun 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonNormbening's previous comment that teed it up was "IMHO, there is a much larger problem with parents in the USA refraining from any discipline or ignoring it, than there is in overdoing it," which was a response to PsychoPawn talking about how he'd rather a parent refrain from discipline than beat them.
How do you get that out of this FMF ?
"The parents of the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago, had parents that simply didn't know what they were doing, and put them on drugs to keep them under control." -normbenign
06 Jun 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonI take it by drugs you mean medication sanctioned and prescribed by a medical practitioner ?
How do you get that out of this FMF ?
"The parents of the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago, had parents that simply didn't know what they were doing, and put them on drugs to keep them under control." -normbenign
06 Jun 12
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Originally posted by FMFSomewhat... I think he is primarily suggesting that their parents tried to use drugs to control them instead of disciplining them properly.
Was normbenign suggesting that the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago might not have done it if their parents had used physical violence against them when they were little children?
I think he believes that if the parents only disciplined him, including possibly by spanking, then no matter what bullying they endured at school they would have behaved properly.
Part of my problem, which he hasn't clarified, is whether he thinks spanking is actually somehow the most or even the only way to effectively instill discipline in children.
06 Jun 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57Apologies I got totally confused about who I was posting to there, so much for cannabis not causing brain damage😞
Yeah he did actually, what do you think he was saying? My children are all grown up and have not shot or bludgeoned anybody so far, in fact they have never brought the police to my door, which is more than my own slap happy parents and teachers could say of me.
I made point of using reasoned argument coupled with a retraction of certain freedoms and favoured items, you know like the mods do.
P.s I pity you!
06 Jun 12
Originally posted by PsychoPawnHow many violent people were knocked about by their dads when they were young, I wonder. How many dads who knock their kids around are just doing what their dads did to them? Can violence in the home somehow eradicate violent [and other bad] behaviour of the following generation? Wouldn't have thought so.
Part of my problem, which he hasn't clarified, is whether he thinks spanking is actually somehow the most or even the only way to effectively instill discipline in children.
06 Jun 12
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Originally posted by FMFI do remember reading about a study that they did that showed that spanking doesn't cause emotional damage and can work when the child actually knows why they are getting spanked. In other words, as long as the kid can and does make the connection that they are getting spanked because of a given behavior.
How many violent people were knocked about by their dads when they were young, I wonder. How many dads who knock their kids around are just doing what their dads did to them? Can violence in the home somehow eradicate violent [and other bad] behaviour of the following generation? Wouldn't have thought so.
If they don't make that connection then they are essentially being abused because they feel like they are just arbitrarily being beaten.
One study:
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx
"Gershoff found "strong associations" between corporal punishment and all eleven child behaviors and experiences. Ten of the associations were negative such as with increased child aggression and antisocial behavior. The single desirable association was between corporal punishment and increased immediate compliance on the part of the child."
Basically there was a strong association with being spanked and increased aggression and antisocial behavior... but they are more compliant. That's not what I want my kids to be.
An interesting caveat for the study:
"The evidence presented in the meta-analysis does not justify a blanket injunction against mild to moderate disciplinary spanking," conclude Baumrind and her team. Baumrind et al. also conclude that "a high association between corporal punishment and physical abuse is not evidence that mild or moderate corporal punishment increases the risk of abuse."
As far as I am concerned the evidence points to spanking being potentially effective in some cases, but there are definite risks even in relatively moderate situations. I think that there are sufficient ways to instill discipline effectively without actually hitting your child so I think spanking is outdated and unnecessary.
