06 Jun 12
Originally posted by PsychoPawnI totally agree that there is a whole range of practical methods of discipline.
[b]Surely, beating or spanking could be abuse or not, being a matter of degree.
Not just degree, but the child has to know why they are receiving a punishment for spanking to be effective. Spanking a child under the age of two or even three I would say spanking/beating is always abuse since the child wouldn't be completely aware of why they are r ...[text shortened]... was making is that the fact is, you can discipline your children without spanking them at all.[/b]
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFMy initial question was to introduce some perspective into what is abusive, and that corporal punishment isn't always evil.
Was normbenign suggesting that the teenagers who bombed and shot up Columbine HS a few years ago might not have done it if their parents had used physical violence against them when they were little children?
There is plenty to indicate that a lack of discipline is as bad, or perhaps worse than overdone corporal punishment.
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57The Columbine pair was on prescribed psychotropics, and a huge percentage of young male children in US schools are routinely prescribed narcotics to keep them "under control", while parents and teachers helplessly buy into new age notions of not physically disciplining children.
I take it by drugs you mean medication sanctioned and prescribed by a medical practitioner ?
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by PsychoPawnFor me to clarify something, all you've got to do is ask. I don't believe spanking is the only or necessarily the best method. It is effective, and ought to be used judiciously by parents. How early? As with other things, each child is individual. The earlier spanking is employed, the more rare it is required as children are older, and usually the more rare other methods need to be employed.
Somewhat... I think he is primarily suggesting that their parents tried to use drugs to control them instead of disciplining them properly.
I think he believes that if the parents only disciplined him, including possibly by spanking, then no matter what bullying they endured at school they would have behaved properly.
Part of my problem, which he h ...[text shortened]... s actually somehow the most or even the only way to effectively instill discipline in children.
Is there any method of discipline that always works? Hell no. Children aren't automatons, with user manuals.
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by normbenignI simply disagree with you about the effectiveness of spanking. I think it's likely one of the lesser in effectiveness especially considering the potential side effects of your kid becoming more aggressive and promoting other negative traits as side effects.
For me to clarify something, all you've got to do is ask. I don't believe spanking is the only or necessarily the best method. It is effective, and ought to be used judiciously by parents. How early? As with other things, each child is individual. The earlier spanking is employed, the more rare it is required as children are older, and usually the mo ...[text shortened]... od of discipline that always works? Hell no. Children aren't automatons, with user manuals.
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by PsychoPawnWere you ever spanked?
I simply disagree with you about the effectiveness of spanking. I think it's likely one of the lesser in effectiveness especially considering the potential side effects of your kid becoming more aggressive and promoting other negative traits as side effects.
Not as an adult, of course. 😛
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFBump for whodey from page 2.
The pastor you talked about in your OP was advocating disciplining children as young as 2 months old by "spanking" them with wooden spoons and rods. Do you think what he is advocating could be described as child abuse?
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFSure.
[b] Bump for whodey from page 2.[/b]
Speaking of which, all this reminds me of a funny story. A friend of mine had some kids between the ages of 10 and 12 and was in a Wall Mart looking for a paddle. He and his wife were in the cooking department and he ran across some wooden spoons. He then picked on up and then began slapping the wooden spoon hard on his hand as he told his wife this one should do nicely and then wacked her on the arse. What he did not know was that there was an 80 year old lady right behind him watching the whole affair with a horried look on her face.
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFI think his xylophone broke down 😉
Perhaps you should start a separate thread about Farrakhan's wish to see the laws changed, the chance that such laws could get past Congress and the Senate, and the level of support these changes would have amongst the general public.
Back to the topic of this thread. The pastor you talked about in your OP was advocating disciplining children as young as 2 mo ...[text shortened]... wooden spoons and rods. Do you think what he is advocating could be described as child abuse?