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11 Oct 21
23 Oct 21
@kevcvs57 saidWhat would you have done differently ? Specifically.
“ And fuk knows where we’d be with covid!”
Hahaha really you think anyone could kill more Brits than Boris and his band of Uber corrupt scumbags. You really are a one man ultra right wing nut propaganda machine.
And think of the consequences when you reply.
24 Oct 21
@divegeester saidThe UK parliament’s own enquiry lays it all out for you to see:
What would you have done differently ? Specifically.
And think of the consequences when you reply.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58876089.amp
“Covid: UK's early response worst public health failure ever, MPs say”
So, the black death wasn’t even as bungled as the corona crisis.
And the report is severely lacking on key issues as well.
Not to mention the 37 billion spent on a track and trace app, given to friends of the tory party, which didn’t work… whilst the NHS already had a working track and trace application which could have been used.
Corruption and incompetence.
24 Oct 21
@divegeester saidLocked down a lot sooner, not handed out PPE and track snd trace contracts to my ‘friends’ but to those best able to fulfil those contracts, made sure no one had to ignore best advice regarding self isolation if infected in order to feed their children.
What would you have done differently ? Specifically.
And think of the consequences when you reply.
Basically listened to the science a lot earlier and grabbed the covid nettle firmly with both hands.
He’s dithering and ignoring the science as we speak, masks for indoor public places and transport should have remained mandatory not optional.
We now have a Delta 2.0 variant that only happens with transmission, we know covid vaccines do not prevent transmission only masks and social distancing can do that.
@divegeester saidOh I see you’ve been salivating over Nigel on GB news haven’t you.
You were wrong about the UK referendum, you were wrong about the Brexit Party and their landslide anti EU victory, you were wrong about Johnson navigating Brexit through Parliament and you’ll be proven wrong again.
Sorry what landslide for the Brexit party was that?
Brexit won the referendum by 4% and a shed load of lies and not one Brexiteer had the gonads to put it back to the people once the reality of Brexit became clear.
You’d better hope that bright new future for Britannia comes along sharpish or you will find yourself back on the wrong side of history where you belong.
27 Oct 21
@kevcvs57 saidHey! They’ve got a trade deal with New Zealand.
Oh I see you’ve been salivating over Nigel on GB news haven’t you.
Sorry what landslide for the Brexit party was that?
Brexit won the referendum by 4% and a shed load of lies and not one Brexiteer had the gonads to put it back to the people once the reality of Brexit became clear.
You’d better hope that bright new future for Britannia comes along sharpish or you will find yourself back on the wrong side of history where you belong.
I’m sure they’ll be eating kiwis and kangaroos. Christmas is saved!
27 Oct 21
@shavixmir saidI don’t mind that I was raised on New Zealand lamb but not even the best trade deal you could possibly get anywhere on the planet would compensate for free access to that market place that’s a hop skip and jump across the channel. One of the brexiteers biggest lies was not admitting that.
Hey! They’ve got a trade deal with New Zealand.
I’m sure they’ll be eating kiwis and kangaroos. Christmas is saved!
27 Oct 21
@kevcvs57 saidTrading advantages against creeping lack of control over domestic policy is what 'Brexit' came down to. I get both sides of the argument and sided with 'remain', but now we're out I'm prepared to let things run their course. Had the EU stayed as purely a trading organisation we'd still be in, but it was becoming more than that, and that was the problem, I think.
I don’t mind that I was raised on New Zealand lamb but not even the best trade deal you could possibly get anywhere on the planet would compensate for free access to that market place that’s a hop skip and jump across the channel. One of the brexiteers biggest lies was not admitting that.
@indonesia-phil saidYeah but it wasn’t a gamble, I don’t mind a gamble, and like most people I would like as much autonomy as possible. But Brexit was a straight swap of less prosperity for more ‘National’ autonomy that the vast vast majority of citizens do not get to exercise regardless of where the decisions are being made.
Trading advantages against creeping lack of control over domestic policy is what 'Brexit' came down to. I get both sides of the argument and sided with 'remain', but now we're out I'm prepared to let things run their course. Had the EU stayed as purely a trading organisation we'd still be in, but it was becoming more than that, and that was the problem, I think.
My issue was that’s not the choice we were given by the Brexit campaign, it was literally have your cake and eat it and unlike a general election when everyone promises the moon and gives you zilch we cannot change our minds every four or five years.
I don’t know if you’ve moved back home Phil but we are looking at a long cold hungry winter even without the disruption and trade displacement of Brexit.
It’s got to run it’s course wether we like it or not but I haven’t signed up to the fascistic idea that criticism of one of the most inept and corrupt governments I’ve ever witnessed makes me some kind of europhile traitor, or that I have to take the side or a right wing authoritarian Polish or Hungarian regime simply because they are’s at loggerheads with the centrist EU. It’s these very regimes that are trying to undemocratise Poland and Hungary not Brussels.
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27 Oct 21
@shavixmir saidThey'll be eating bats posing as birds, more likely.
Hey! They’ve got a trade deal with New Zealand.
I’m sure they’ll be eating kiwis and kangaroos. Christmas is saved!
@kevcvs57 saidI think 'less prosperity' remains to be seen, it's too early yet to judge the longer term effects of 'Brexit', particularly given the pandemic and all. My objections to 'Brexit' were always more philosophical than financial, but we'll see. I also think that more autonomy will result, and as you say, if people don't like the government they can get rid of it, the current problem with Britain as I see it is the lack of any credible opposition; the Tories will do as the Tories have always done, which is to look after their own. Britain is still a rich nation, it all depends how you shovel the money around. As for hunger, I think that's a relative thing; empty Supermarket shelves and a shortage of ready - made 'Pigs in Blankets' do not hunger make. We live in a small fishing village and since the pandemic many people here have lost their livelihoods and have gone back to traditional farming where they can. Some have taken to living in coconut plantations and making 'copra' (smoked coconut flesh used in the cosmetics industry) at night, just to get by. Those that can't even do that have nothing and no income, so we provide the village with sacks of rice every week so that at least nobody starves. As for the cold, well, that's the weather, and it's partly why I moved to the tropics, and am never likely to move back. I wish you and yours well during these strange and troubled times.
Yeah but it wasn’t a gamble, I don’t mind a gamble, and like most people I would like as much autonomy as possible. But Brexit was a straight swap of less prosperity for more ‘National’ autonomy that the vast vast majority of citizens do not get to exercise regardless of where the decisions are being made.
My issue was that’s not the choice we were given by the Brexit campa ...[text shortened]... ntrist EU. It’s these very regimes that are trying to undemocratise Poland and Hungary not Brussels.
28 Oct 21
@indonesia-phil saidNo Phil your living in cloud cuckoo land mate there are children, lots of them in the UK going hungry as I post this and the good old British Tory party is about to rip £80 per month from their parents shopping list.
I think 'less prosperity' remains to be seen, it's too early yet to judge the longer term effects of 'Brexit', particularly given the pandemic and all. My objections to 'Brexit' were always more philosophical than financial, but we'll see. I also think that more autonomy will result, and as you say, if people don't like the government they can get rid of it, the curren ...[text shortened]... and am never likely to move back. I wish you and yours well during these strange and troubled times.
I’m glad you do not have worry about the financial aspects of Brexit but some unfortunates have to worry about it a lot. A scarcity of food in a market economy puts the cost of all food through the roof = actual hunger for actual children there is nothing relative about it.
@divegeester saidNo we are not ALL going to starve. I’m sure you and I will be fine. But less fortunate people are definitely going hungry just as they were before Brexit but Brexit, or at least, some of its obvious consequences regarding supply lines means that hunger amongst the poorer Brits has and will continue to increase but I wouldn’t expect a dyed in the wool Thatcherite to give a toss about it, thanks for the confirmation.
Ut-oh here we go again… we’re all going to starve … 😆
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