Roe V Wade, gone TONITE?

@eladar said
When there is a heart beat?

A heartbeat does not determine life. Just ask all the family's that had to remove a loved one off of life support, even tho they still had a heartbeat. That's because they were DEAD; no working brain. duh... Furthermore, a fetus does not have a heart until 20 weeks of pregnancy. Take a biology course sometime.

@kingdavid403 said
A heartbeat does not determine life. Just ask all the family's that had to remove a loved one off of life support, even tho they still had a heartbeat. That's because they were DEAD; no working brain. duh...

So now you claim that a mother is just a life support machine. I agree.

@eladar said
So now you claim that a mother is just a life support machine. I agree.

She is if she is forced to carry a fertilized egg until birth; that's for sure.

@averagejoe1 said
Actually, I did not get that part, I am too busy hiring people. So, yes, I do think there should be an exception for rape victims, and of course, incest. The law is not perfect, it is still a baby, and better to let them be born if the law will allow other babies in the womb to be born and live lives.
Maybe for every 2000 babies being allowed to live lives, a baby ...[text shortened]... s well, ......I think that makes more sense than to do what they have been doing....aborting babies.

Babies are already born. There are no "babies in the womb". Apparently you mean a fetus or embryo.

@kingdavid403 said
She is if she is forced to carry a fertilized egg until birth; that's for sure.

She is forced to suffer the consequences of a poor decision?

@eladar said
When there is a heart beat?

That seems arbitrary. The heart begins to beat before it is a functional heart.

@eladar said
Seeing as colored people have higher abortion rates, outlawing abortion would make it so that more colored people are alive, not dead.

Just a thought for those who claim Republicans hate colored people.

Ok, now that is classic twisting the argument that you specialize in.

Like this:

So now you claim that a mother is just a life support machine. I agree.

I thank God I don't see the world through your lens.

@averagejoe1 said
King David would tell you when it isborn. People like me know it is a FULL baby at 6 months. You can look up stages of development on the internet

At six months, it is still a fetus, not a "baby".

@averagejoe1 said
King David would tell you when it isborn. People like me know it is a FULL baby at 6 months. You can look up stages of development on the internet

The range of answers to this question highlights the point.

It is obvious that the pre-conception conservative crowd (we'll call them the anti-condoms) are not really interested in the question at all. They're just prudes.

The heartbeat crowd (i.e. the Texas law) is totally arbitrary. A 6-week heart beat is just a clump of cells. There are no chambers. There is limited vascularity.

At 20 weeks, ultrasounds can detect embryonic defects and determine with some accuracy whether the fetus may live. Many abortion laws use this metric, plus a few weeks for decision making/second opinions.

It is typically lung development that is the critical bottleneck to survival. Without lungs, it's hard to be human, and the development of this delicate tissue and surfactant takes a long time. But, related to lung development, the time at which a fetus can be kept alive ex utero has changed with medical advances.

I dunno what the law does with this moving forward. Roe v. Wade will be overturned but there's no legal framework for determining life until after someone breathes for the first time. It'll likely be a hodge-podge of state laws that women can choose from. There's an inconvenience factor but we have airplanes.

@eladar said
She is forced to suffer the consequences of a poor decision?

Raped women did not choose to get raped or molested. We all know that you have always been a defender of rapists and so forth.

@eladar said
She is forced to suffer the consequences of a poor decision?

You'd be in some serious difficulty if you were forced to suffer the consequences of all your poor decisions. But I guess that's one of the rights of being a man.

If men were forced to financially support their kids, no, not just told to support the kid and then slapped on the hand when he doesn't, we'd see an end to these attempts to restrict the rights of women. When it affects the financial rights of men, we'll see a shift in the winds of change.

@wildgrass said
There's an inconvenience factor but we have airplanes.

It's extremely difficult for women of color who live day-to-day to afford the expense and time necessary to get their abortions out of state.

White soccer moms will do this, but most poor women cannot.

@suzianne said
It's extremely difficult for women of color who live day-to-day to afford the expense and time necessary to get their abortions out of state.

White soccer moms will do this, but most poor women cannot.

Even weighted against the expense and time of childbirth?

@eladar said
Looks like science is catching up to the child killers. Only a fool would claim that killing a life with its own heart beating is actually the woman's body.

If your lifestyle requires you to kill unborn children, then your lifestyle is evil as are the people who get abortions and the people who provide them.

🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧

@eladar said
So now you claim that a mother is just a life support machine. I agree.

🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧