04 Oct 21
@wildgrass saidPretend you're not a partisan at all. I mean not one iota.
Likewise, you don't need to be a CNN viewer to know that Florida leadership did a bad job managing COVID. Their per capita death rate is almost 6X higher than California and 50X more than Australia.
Okay, now.
In the grand scheme of things, is COVID impact in Florida vs. Australia a fair comparison?
@sh76 saidI don't know that it's fair but it simply highlights the amount of COVID death that has happened in florida.
Pretend you're not a partisan at all. I mean not one iota.
Okay, now.
In the grand scheme of things, is COVID impact in Florida vs. Australia a fair comparison?
I'm open to your ideas and I frequently change my mind in light of new information. Can you say the same?
Simple interventions in florida would have saved lives. Leaders wanted to ignore it for political reasons. There's historical, political, scientific and legal precedent for social distancing guidelines that the governor ignored. What florida did didn't work.
@wildgrass said===I'm open to your ideas and I frequently change my mind in light of new information. Can you say the same?===
I don't know that it's fair but it simply highlights the amount of COVID death that has happened in florida.
I'm open to your ideas and I frequently change my mind in light of new information. Can you say the same?
Simple interventions in florida would have saved lives. Leaders wanted to ignore it for political reasons. There's historical, political, scientific and l ...[text shortened]... precedent for social distancing guidelines that the governor ignored. What florida did didn't work.
Absolutely, yes. If you want examples, give me a topic and I'll share how I've adjusted my thinking on it.
===Simple interventions in florida would have saved lives. ===
After a careful cost-benefit analysis, taking into account the limited scope that government mandates ought to be held to, I don't know what interventions Florida should have done.
Nobody has been enforcing social distancing mandates in many months. I don't know where you live, but in New York, government-mandated social distancing is long over. They're filling up Yankee Stadium for crying out loud, for baseball games; and Broadway theaters are open with no capacity restrictions.
What you're really talking about is masks, with their marginal benefits. In a healthcare setting, where the workers can be relied on to wear proper masks properly, masks are useful. In supermarkets, there is marginal benefit, but hey, the cost is low, so why not? And still, there are no supermarket government mask mandates that I'm aware of.
Aside from the masks in schools issue that's been the flashpoint of this board for months (which I'm prepared to litigate until the cows come home if you'd like), specifically what guidelines did DeSantis not put into place that other states have and that definitely would have passed cost-benefit analyses.
@sh76 saidhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-gov-desantis-threatens-heavy-fines-local-governments-impose-vaccine-n1279113
===I'm open to your ideas and I frequently change my mind in light of new information. Can you say the same?===
Absolutely, yes. If you want examples, give me a topic and I'll share how I've adjusted my thinking on it.
===Simple interventions in florida would have saved lives. ===
After a careful cost-benefit analysis, taking into account the limited scope that governme ...[text shortened]... t put into place that other states have and that definitely would have passed cost-benefit analyses.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/09/16/desantis-vows-to-protect-jobs-as-floridas-fines-on-vaccine-passports-takes-effect/
@no1marauder saidSo, he doesn't believe in vaccine mandates. It's a close question and you obviously disagree, but not thinking the government should force people to vaccinate is a perfectly reasonable mainstream position.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-gov-desantis-threatens-heavy-fines-local-governments-impose-vaccine-n1279113
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/09/16/desantis-vows-to-protect-jobs-as-floridas-fines-on-vaccine-passports-takes-effect/
@sh76 saidA position that discourages vaccination and increases the public health risk.
So, he doesn't believe in vaccine mandates. It's a close question and you obviously disagree, but not thinking the government should force people to vaccinate is a perfectly reasonable mainstream position.
I don't consider banning private businesses from enacting vaccination policies as a "mainstream position".
04 Oct 21
@sh76 saidThe Buffalo Bills and all 41 theaters on Broadway require all audience members to show proof of vaccination. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32209333/buffalo-bills-require-fans-games-vaccinated-covid-19
===I'm open to your ideas and I frequently change my mind in light of new information. Can you say the same?===
Absolutely, yes. If you want examples, give me a topic and I'll share how I've adjusted my thinking on it.
===Simple interventions in florida would have saved lives. ===
After a careful cost-benefit analysis, taking into account the limited scope that governme ...[text shortened]... t put into place that other states have and that definitely would have passed cost-benefit analyses.
https://www.broadway.org/info/covid-19-updates/
These policies would be illegal in Florida.
@no1marauder saidand against our constitutional right of religious freedom
The Buffalo Bills and all 41 theaters on Broadway require all audience members to show proof of vaccination. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32209333/buffalo-bills-require-fans-games-vaccinated-covid-19
https://www.broadway.org/info/covid-19-updates/
These policies would be illegal in Florida.
07 Oct 21
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Ah, so you indifferent to the 700,000+ dead but you REALLY worry about people's 'souls', the hell with how they live right now, right?
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07 Oct 21
@mott-the-hoople saidThou shalt not blaspheme, thou worshipper of the Bosheth.
and against our constitutional right of religious freedom
04 Nov 21
@wildgrass saidFlorida Now Has Lowest Covid Rates In Nation!
I don't know that it's fair but it simply highlights the amount of COVID death that has happened in florida.
I'm open to your ideas and I frequently change my mind in light of new information. Can you say the same?
Simple interventions in florida would have saved lives. Leaders wanted to ignore it for political reasons. There's historical, political, scientific and l ...[text shortened]... precedent for social distancing guidelines that the governor ignored. What florida did didn't work.
https://rumble.com/vony5s-florida-now-has-lowest-covid-rates-in-nation.html
You were saying?
@no1marauder saidHistory has proven sh76 right.
"Fallen apart"? Florida presently has 929,441 active cases and a total of 3.6 million documented cases out of a population of about 21.5 million. 55,000 Floridians have died from COVID, the majority this year. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
You really should stop making threads touting their great success in managing the pandemic mainly by taking actions that ensured its maximum spread.
04 Nov 21
@jimmac saidThe entire last chapter of The Big Book of Republican Fairy Tales is nothing but false GOP Covid horror stories and fables of how many people hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have saved.
"From" or "with", just askin, the more people that have it, the more will die with it. Like the coroner asking the question as to why a murder suicide was classified as two covid deaths.
04 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidWhat a buffoon.
Florida Now Has Lowest Covid Rates In Nation!
https://rumble.com/vony5s-florida-now-has-lowest-covid-rates-in-nation.html
You were saying?
Yeah, a fake news site (Youtube for idiots) proves it.
04 Nov 21
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@mott-the-hoople saidWhat does this have to do with "religious freedom"?
and against our constitutional right of religious freedom
No one's freedom is going away. Especially white folk's freedom. To say it is, is insane. And nothing but GOP fear-mongering.