04 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidAnd you'll do your part to make sure of that, you ghoul.
All he did is hasten inevitable deaths. Everyone is going to get it eventually.
Finally, a concrete reason for your disinformation tirades.
04 Nov 21
@suzianne saidShoot the messenger all you like, but many sources bear out the stone cold fact that Florida now has the lowest COVID new infections rate in the country (or at least is right at the bottom). Even this hysterical anti-DeSantis diatribe conceded that.
What a buffoon.
Yeah, a fake news site (Youtube for idiots) proves it.
https://news.yahoo.com/florida-now-has-americas-lowest-covid-rate-does-ron-de-santis-deserve-credit-090013615.html
Other sources
https://www.flgov.com/2021/10/27/florida-reaches-lowest-case-rate-in-the-nation/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/media-ignore-florida-covid-coronavirus-vaccination-herd-immunity-desantis-ladapo-11635707152
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-florida-covid-19-lowest-case-rate-in-nation-20211028-gvcy2hxdnngufnv3vpwm23yuae-story.html
04 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidAnd now cases seem to be on the increase in San Francisco.
History has proven sh76 right.
<sigh>
Why won't those Covidiots in Bay Area stay firmly locked down, eschew human contact, wear Haz-Mat suits in the shower and start inoculating babies fresh from the womb?
Those death-cultists are going to kill us all!
04 Nov 21
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@no1marauder saidPlease allow me to jump in here and perhaps stake out a middle ground between no1marauder and sh76:
A position that discourages vaccination and increases the public health risk.
I don't consider banning private businesses from enacting vaccination policies as a "mainstream position".
I can understand the logic behind both of your arguments, but since we're now dealing with a COVID strain that has multiple variants, I would suggest the complications arising from this fact are going to make it very difficult, and perhaps impossible for health experts to come up with a workable plan to effectively combat this virus, and that government mandates and guidelines are a guide, not a gospel. It's a proven fact that vaccines, masks, and social distancing all help - up to a point, but each of us will have to decide what level of risk we want to assume.
I deeply respect both of your opinions, and am fully aware lawyers love to debate abstract hypothetical's, but would suggest it's impossible to nail the solution to this virus down too finely, given its complicated nature. 🙂
05 Nov 21
@mchill saidI appreciate the nod and the mediation effort. 🙂
Please allow me to jump in here and perhaps stake out a middle ground between no1marauder and sh76:
I can understand the logic behind both of your arguments, but since we're now dealing with a COVID strain that has multiple variants, I would suggest the complications arising from this fact are going to make it very difficult, and perhaps impossible for health experts to com ...[text shortened]... 's impossible to nail the solution to this virus down too finely, given its complicated nature. 🙂
I would like to point out that:
=== government mandates and guidelines are a guide, not a gospel. It's a proven fact that vaccines, masks, and social distancing all help - up to a point, but each of us will have to decide what level of risk we want to assume.===
matches my position exactly.
In fact, there's nothing in your post that I don't agree with, so I'm not sure I'd characterize it as a "middle ground."
05 Nov 21
@suzianne saidThe question to put out there is ......
What does this have to do with "religious freedom"?
No one's freedom is going away. Especially white folk's freedom. To say it is, is insane. And nothing but GOP fear-mongering.
The religious freedom to do what ??
06 Nov 21
@no1marauder saidSh ignored the post I'm quoting here, but by the time Florida's final September figures were totalled there had been over 8100 deaths and 320,000 new cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
You are wrong; Florida counts deaths on the date of death, not when they are finally reported. So the 5700 figure is surely an undercount which will creep up in the weeks ahead. https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-numbers/florida-reports-covid-death-cases-changes/67-c5d04e80-56ad-4fb7-906b-b795f6922c26
Cases are now also counted on the day ...[text shortened]... s" you are seeing is a mirage; the September case counts will also be adjusted higher in the future.
I suspect all these articles making claims of Florida's low case rate are making the same error based on that State's practice of counting cases "on the day of the positive test" which causes extreme lags compared to most States counting them when reported.
06 Nov 21
@no1marauder saidIn the last week the southern states in general have had less cases than northern states. All states show an increase though. FL had a 0.33% increase in the past week. Very little, but still an increase.
Sh ignored the post I'm quoting here, but by the time Florida's final September figures were totalled there had been over 8100 deaths and 320,000 new cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
I suspect all these articles making claims of Florida's low case rate are making the same error based on that State's practice of counting cases "on the day of the positive test" which causes extreme lags compared to most States counting them when reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/02/covid-19-coronavirus-us-map-latest-cases-state-by-state
06 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidYour article is dated September 2, 2021.
In the last week the southern states in general have had less cases than northern states. All states show an increase though. FL had a 0.33% increase in the past week. Very little, but still an increase.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/02/covid-19-coronavirus-us-map-latest-cases-state-by-state
06 Nov 21
@no1marauder saidOkay, you are right.
Your article is dated September 2, 2021.
Your own link shows a sharp decrease in cases in FL though.
06 Nov 21
Top 20 States in cases per one million population:
1. North Dakota
2. Tennessee
3. Alaska
4. Wyoming
5. South Dakota
6. South Carolina
7. Utah
8. Florida
9. Rhode Island
10. Arkansas
11. Alabama
12. Mississippi
13. Montana
14. Iowa
15. Kentucky
16. Idaho
17. Louisiana
18. Oklahoma
19. Arizona
20. Georgia
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
Seeing any pattern there, SH?
To be fair to little Rhody, they have by far the highest rate of tests per one million population.
06 Nov 21
@no1marauder saidHow many new cases in the last week?
Top 20 States in cases per one million population:
1. North Dakota
2. Tennessee
3. Alaska
4. Wyoming
5. South Dakota
6. South Carolina
7. Utah
8. Florida
9. Rhode Island
10. Arkansas
11. Alabama
12. Mississippi
13. Montana
14. Iowa
15. Kentucky
16. Idaho
17. Louisiana
18. Oklahoma
19. Arizona
20. Georgia
https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru ...[text shortened]...
To be fair to little Rhody, they have by far the highest rate of tests per one million population.
06 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidCases are dropping almost everywhere in the US. We won't know how much they have dropped from the catastrophic highs Florida experienced in August and September for a few more weeks due to that State's reporting procedures though.
Okay, you are right.
Your own link shows a sharp decrease in cases in FL though.
06 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidIn the US? About 500,000 in the last 7 days.
How many new cases in the last week?