19 Apr 20
@joe-shmo saidI think.a majority of the people you are trying to explain things do not understand numbers.
In Sweden. No.
But in the US. Its obvious.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
About 91% of COVID deaths are age group 55 and older. Significantly weighted near the end of that group. They are most likely to hold the co-morbidities necessary for COVID to kill you.
Even if the deaths from COVID are Tripled its comprises less than 7% of ALL death ...[text shortened]... ater. Its killing off the weakest of the weak in a population of people already most likely to die.
They cannot begin to understand your explanation.
19 Apr 20
@shavixmir saidYou disagree because you do not understand data, all you know is what your betters tell you to believe.
Or maybe we just disagree. Like 90% of the rest of the world?
19 Apr 20
@eladar saidUnder your original response plan where freedom and capitalism come first ?
Back this up. If 14000 people get this virus, how many would die?
Try 130-240 million infections, with about 2% fatality rate.
Sorry, but you cannot retrofit today’s infection statistics achieved by mitigation to back up your “do nothing” response.
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19 Apr 20
@eladar saidI think it's is a fair assertion that most can't "do the math" itself. Which is sad. Almost, everyone has an innate number sense, but so few ever pick up the pencil and paper and verify it in the face of uncertainty. Its much easier to wait for third party cognition sources (news media) to crunch the numbers for you and spoon feed you the information so you can regurgitate it at a later date and "sound smart". Obviously, doing all computations on your own merit is time consuming, and if you don't have a reasonable understanding of the subject matter it can go very, very wrong sometimes. The good news if you practice, you can begin to understand "the expert opinion", and not just accept it on blind faith. They usually turn out to be correct, but even they sometimes can go horribly wrong.
I think.a majority of the people you are trying to explain things do not understand numbers.
They cannot begin to understand your explanation.
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19 Apr 20
@eladar saidI'll reserve judgement of conspiratorial notions for now. This is really just a hard thing to model. Extremely complex stuff going on, akin to modeling the weather.
@joe-shmo
The expert opinions on covid are simply proganda designed to expand government power over the population.
Personal freedom has been trampled upon in the false claim of millions of deaths.
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19 Apr 20
@joe-shmo saidyou might want to check into some of these states with dem governors and their authoritarian orders.
I'll reserve judgement of conspiratorial notions for now. This is really just a hard thing to model. Extremely complex stuff going on, akin to modeling the weather.
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@mghrn55 saidWe will be able to do this after the fact, and that is actually why what Sweden is doing is so important to the greater good of human civilization. Its a worldwide experiment in mitigation efforts. Thankfully, Sweden has elected to be the control group.
Under your original response plan where freedom and capitalism come first ?
Try 130-240 million infections, with about 2% fatality rate.
Sorry, but you cannot retrofit today’s infection statistics achieved by mitigation to back up your “do nothing” response.
19 Apr 20
@joe-shmo saidNot so thankfully for the Swedes who are unnecessarily dying at rates far in excess of their neighbors who put into place sensible mandatory social distancing measures (and are now close to the point where they can start reopening nonessential businesses and other activities).
We will be able to do this after the fact, and that is actually why what Sweden is doing is so important to the greater good of human civilization. Its a worldwide experiment in mitigation efforts. Thankfully, Sweden has elected to be the control group.
19 Apr 20
@joe-shmo said"By and large" still equates to probably at least 10,000 deaths in the US to people still in the workforce.
The working population, in large, is not dying from this virus. Those 2.9 Million (Pre COVID) already statistically slated to die in 2020 are.
Your second sentence is nonsense; even people in their 80s can look forward to years of life according to actuarial tables; an 80 year old has a less than 6% chance of dying in this year for example: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
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19 Apr 20
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@joe-shmo saidBut my question Joe was in relation to the 1500 fatalities in Sweden, to which you responded, 'they were likely to die in the very near future regardless of COVID.'
In Sweden. No.
But in the US. Its obvious.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
About 91% of COVID deaths are age group 55 and older. Significantly weighted near the end of that group. They are most likely to hold the co-morbidities necessary for COVID to kill you.
Even if the deaths from COVID are Tripled its comprises less than 7% of ALL death ...[text shortened]... ater. Its killing off the weakest of the weak in a population of people already most likely to die.
Are you now saying that assertion can not be substantiated?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidSpecifically in Sweden, Yes. I don't have the data. Get me the data, written in English if you can find it.
But my question Joe was in relation to the 1500 fatalities in Sweden, to which you responded, 'they were likely to die in the very near future regardless of COVID.'
Are you now saying that assertion can not be substantiated?