The Dominos Have Begun to Fall

@joe-shmo said
Specifically in Sweden, Yes. I don't have the data.

The Ghost accepts your retraction.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The Ghost accepts your retraction.

Ok. Get me the data, written in English if you can find it. Then we will talk more.

@mghrn55 said
Under your original response plan where freedom and capitalism come first ?
Try 130-240 million infections, with about 2% fatality rate.

Sorry, but you cannot retrofit today’s infection statistics achieved by mitigation to back up your “do nothing” response.

The 2 percent death rate has been shown to be complete trash, just used for hype.

@eladar said
You guys do not know the numbers, just the propaganda. Same challenge for you, 14000 employees get this virus how many die?

Death rates remain low due to states like New York doing everything in their power to reduce how many people die....including lock-downs.

Think how may die because we don't have enough ventilators to go around. That number becomes higher the more people become infected because life-saving equipment like ventilators are limited. Do we let that number become higher because Republicans care more about profit than human lives?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
But my question Joe was in relation to the 1500 fatalities in Sweden, to which you responded, 'they were likely to die in the very near future regardless of COVID.'

Are you now saying that assertion can not be substantiated?

Of course such an assertion can't be substantiated in Sweden or anywhere else; even people at advanced ages aren't "likely to die in the very near future regardless of COVID" as the actuarial tables show.

Yes, most of the deaths in Sweden are of the elderly, who's lives are apparently worthless to right wingers:

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

Looks like about 5% under 60, another 8% in the sixties, etc. etc. etc.

EDIT: It's not written in English, but the Swedish word "Avlidna" means "deceased" and there is a graph of deceased giving age ranges.

@vivify said
Death rates remain low due to states like New York are actively doing everything in their power to reduce how many people die....including lock-downs.

Think how may die because we don't have enough ventilators to go around. That number becomes higher the more people become infected because life-saving equipment like ventilators are limited. Do we let that number become higher because Republicans care more about profit than human lives?

Yada yada yada.

You do not know this. Perhaps it saved lives in NYC but it also cost lives , but how about Maine?

@no1marauder said
"By and large" still equates to probably at least 10,000 deaths in the US to people still in the workforce.

Your second sentence is nonsense; even people in their 80s can look forward to years of life according to actuarial tables; an 80 year old has a less than 6% chance of dying in this year for example: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200331/covid-19-death-rate-drops-still-deadly-to-seniors

"Your second sentence is nonsense; even people in their 80s can look forward to years of life according to actuarial tables" - no2

And the majority of them will still look forward to years of life even after they catch it.

"Children are least likely to die, with death rates in confirmed cases of less than 1% in newborns to 9-year-olds. That rose to 4.28% in people 70 and older, and to 7.8% in people 80 years and above."

So far 7.8% of 80 yrs old who have contracted the disease have died. You can bet your lawyerly A$& they were comprised of the weakest of the group in terms of co-morbidities.

If you can't formulate a rational argument, do me a favor and maintain your social distance. I don't appreciate being told to Go [ explative deleted] Myself, and that is what seems to happen every time I crush your ego.

@eladar said
Yada yada yada.

You do not know this. Perhaps it saved lives in NYC but it also cost lives , but how about Maine?

Maine declared a state of emergency on March 15th and currently has in place a “Stay Healthy at Home” Order through April 30th. https://www.maine.gov/covid19/

https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/sites/maine.gov.governor.mills/files/inline-files/Proclamation%20to%20Renew%20the%20State%20of%20Civil%20Emergency.pdf

The emergency order was extended through May 15th. https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-extends-state-civil-emergency-maine-continues-combat-covid-19-2020-04-14

@eladar said
Perhaps it saved lives in NYC but it also cost lives

Who died *because* of social distance rules?

@no1marauder said
Maine declared a state of emergency on March 15th and currently has in place a “Stay Healthy at Home” Order through April 30th. https://www.maine.gov/covid19/

https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/sites/maine.gov.governor.mills/files/inline-files/Proclamation%20to%20Renew%20the%20State%20of%20Civil%20Emergency.pdf

The emergency order was extended through May 15th. ...[text shortened]... r/mills/news/governor-mills-extends-state-civil-emergency-maine-continues-combat-covid-19-2020-04-14

I thought they were one of the ones that didn't, how about Wyoming?

@joe-shmo said
Ok. Get me the data, written in English if you can find it. Then we will talk more.

Sweden consistently has around 90,000 deaths a year, so time will tell the impact the virus has had on total fatalities.

I do though think it is erroneous to presume that people who die from the virus would have died anyway, as not all fatalities occur within the elderly or those with underlying health issues. Healthy men in their fifties seem to be particularly susceptible.

@joe-shmo said
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200331/covid-19-death-rate-drops-still-deadly-to-seniors

"Children are least likely to die, with death rates in confirmed cases of less than 1% in newborns to 9-year-olds. That rose to 4.28% in people 70 and older, and to 7.8% in people 80 years and above."

So far 7.8% of 80 yrs old who have contracted the disease have died. You can b ...[text shortened]... ld to Go [ explative deleted] Myself, and that is what seems to happen every time I crush your ego.

Internet loudmouths who think they have "won" arguments are pretty boring, never mind ones egotistical enough to think faulty reasoning can "crush" anybody's ego.

I did formulate a rational argument that you failed to rationally answer. So what if the people who died were susceptible to the co-morbidities of COVID? None of those in and of themselves are a short term death sentence; there are 70 million obese Americans, 34 million with diabetes, etc. etc. etc.

Your reasoning is too flawed for you to get into a hissy fit when it is revealed to be so by actual data.

@eladar said
I thought they were one of the ones that didn't, how about Wyoming?

Yes, Wyoming is typical of States in the US.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Sweden consistently has around 90,000 deaths a year, so time will tell the impact the virus has had on total fatalities.

I do though think it is erroneous to presume that people who die from the virus would have died anyway, as not all fatalities occur within the elderly or those with underlying health issues. Healthy men in their fifties seem to be particularly susceptible.

NYC in the month ending April 4th had triple the deaths this year than it has in prior years during the same time period.

@no1marauder said
NYC in the month ending April 4th had triple the deaths this year than it has in prior years during the same time period.

I suspect that will be the (horrible) case in a great many places.