There have been a number of posts claiming that covid-19 is only a problem for the old. The following statistics are the provisional figures for the Office of National Statistics for the week ending the 3rd of April [1]. The deaths are deaths registered by the 3rd of April where covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, but include all covid-19 deaths that week not just hospitalised ones:
Age range | number of deaths [% of total covid deaths]
0 to 14 | 0 [0%]
15 to 44 | 22 [1.49%]
45 to 64 | 159 [10.78%]
65 to 74 | 227 [16.54%]
75 to 84 | 487 [33.02%]
85 and over | 580 [39.32%]
These are figures from the ICNARC report [2], where there was an outcome:
Age | deaths in critical care [% of age range died]
16 to 39 | 31 [23.3%]
40 to 49 | 46 [26.0%]
50 to 59 | 145 [41.1%]
60 to 69 | 273 [56.4%]
70 to 79 | 298 [68.7%]
80 and over | 78 [72.9%]
So, yes, the oldest are most at risk. But there are plenty of people under 65 who have died and have no known comorbidities. This is not just a slight hastening of the inevitable - a distasteful position at best - young people and the middle aged can and have died of this.
[1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
[2] https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31dd38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b?fbclid=IwAR38GJGU3AybbkwojYbat7vfPIMiuihHLUDa6OdJOPBabEKCNT2lCZwIigY
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Lol, as if anyone knows how many people have the virus.
Yes, people get sick and die from viruses. Get over it. It is nature. Anyone can die any day. The probability of someone 40 or younger actually getting killed by this disease is about zero. It can happen, but it is very unlikely.
Go hide in a hole if you wish.
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@deepthought saidColor me distasteful if it pleases you...
There have been a number of posts claiming that covid-19 is only a problem for the old. The following statistics are the provisional figures for the Office of National Statistics for the week ending the 3rd of April [1]. The deaths are deaths registered by the 3rd of April where covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, but include all covid-19 deaths that ...[text shortened]... 38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b?fbclid=IwAR38GJGU3AybbkwojYbat7vfPIMiuihHLUDa6OdJOPBabEKCNT2lCZwIigY
12% coming from < 64, and 88% coming from >64.
The lions share of that 12% ( 11% ) is coming from an age group (45-64) where COVID comorbidities are almost certainly present and largely undiagnosed. I think at the very least, when this is all said and done there will be substantial difference between "No comorbidities" and "No known comorbidities" for that category of people.
I still think its a fair assessment that if its predominantly killing in the group of >64, and only getting about 8% of them at most ( if UK numbers are like US ), then its reasonable to extrapolate it is taking the frailest members of that population. People in nursing homes were on their way out when they were checked into the nursing home. There is no debating that.
@joe-shmo saidA care home is not a hospice. According to a written answer to a question to the Secretary of State for Health the average stay in care homes is 26 months [1]. They do not necessarily die at the end of that and it may not be the first time in a care home. The ons is due to produce their next update on Tuesday. One thing we might find is that older people tend to succumb faster. For younger victims the relevant comorbidities are type II diabetes and metabolic syndrome, they do reduce life expectancy, but not to the extent that dying of covid-19 does not reduce the extent of their life by a large fraction compared with what it could reasonably have been expected to be. None of this produces justifies the notion that removing the lock down could even remotely be considered sensible move.
Color me distasteful if it pleases you...
12% coming from < 64, and 88% coming from >64.
The lions share of that 12% ( 11% ) is coming from an age group (45-64) where COVID comorbidities are almost certainly present and largely undiagnosed. I think at the very least, when this is all said and done there will be substantial difference between "No comorbidities" and "No ...[text shortened]... homes were on their way out when they were checked into the nursing home. There is no debating that.
[1] https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2017-09-05/8937
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Require anyone entering a retirement community pass the same kind of Coronavirus test given to reporters to attend Trump press conferences.
The key is keeping the community free of people who are sick. It would do a better job than what is being done now.
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@eladar saidHere is my question. Why are all these people dying in nursing homes when our hospitals are near empty. Hospitals around the US are operating at no capacity, laying off staff. The elderly in care homes that catch COVID are not just passing away peacefully in their sleep. It is a violent death. Why are they not seeking treatment in our largely underwhelmed healthcare system? I'm starting to think they are being euthanized.
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Require anyone entering a retirement community pass the same kind of Coronavirus test given to reporters to attend Trump press conferences.
The key is keeping the community free of people who are sick. It would do a better job than what is being done now.
@joe-shmo saidSeems to be the same pattern in the UK. In the early days of the lockdown some homes were apparently given armfuls of do not resuscitate request forms. I’m not sure how sinister this is though, I don’t think the survival rate for the very aged and infirm is good and it’s maybe saving them a lot of pain and distress for the same outcome. But then we’ve had centenarians coming out the other side.
Here is my question. Why are all these people dying in nursing homes when our hospitals are near empty. Hospitals around the US are operating at no capacity, laying off staff. The elderly in care homes that catch COVID are not just passing away peacefully in their sleep. It is a violent death. Why are they not seeking treatment in our largely underwhelmed healthcare system? I'm starting to think they are being euthanized.
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@vivify saidYou mean, either mass graves, or mass unemployment plus mass graves. Unless you'd like to keep a family of four from srarving to death on no-Socialism-here-we're-Americans policies?
Agreed. Either mass unemployment or mass graves.