19 Apr 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYet you agree that some would have died anyhow.
Sweden consistently has around 90,000 deaths a year, so time will tell the impact the virus has had on total fatalities.
I do though think it is erroneous to presume that people who die from the virus would have died anyway, as not all fatalities occur within the elderly or those with underlying health issues. Healthy men in their fifties seem to be particularly susceptible.
In any case it will be interesting to see how Sweden who did nothing stacks up against the rest of the world.
19 Apr 20
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@eladar saidRight now they are stacking up to have the 8th highest death rate per capita of countries with a sizeable population (excluding tiny San Marino, Andorra and Sint Maarten). https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Yet you agree that some would have died anyhow.
In any case it will be interesting to see how Sweden who did nothing stacks up against the rest of the world.
They are also having about the same number of confirmed cases as they did at the start of the month even though they are doing relatively little testing. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
That seems to indicate that their death rate will probably not decline in the near future unless they change their policy.
@eladar saidYour reasoning is unique to say the least.
@no1marauder
So they are doing better than 7 countries that have complete shut downs.
Their rate is 9 times their neighbor Finland and 5 times their neighbor Norway which did put in place mandatory social distancing guidelines.
BTW, I know the term is useful for propaganda purposes but no country has a "complete shut down".
19 Apr 20
@no1marauder said "Yes, most of the deaths in Sweden are of the elderly, who's lives are apparently worthless to right wingers: "
Here comes another wannabe D64!!
Nice shot, man. Nice.
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19 Apr 20
@no1marauder said"I did formulate a rational argument that you failed to rationally answer"
Internet loudmouths who think they have "won" arguments are pretty boring, never mind ones egotistical enough to think faulty reasoning can "crush" anybody's ego.
I did formulate a rational argument that you failed to rationally answer. So what if the people who died were susceptible to the co-morbidities of COVID? None of those in and of themselves are a short term de ...[text shortened]... reasoning is too flawed for you to get into a hissy fit when it is revealed to be so by actual data.
I said:
"And the majority of them will still look forward to years of life even after they catch it."
"there are 70 million obese Americans"
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db288.htm
Obesity is practically uniform in America across ALL age groups. It in of itself is obviously not the prevalent "killing" co-morbidity for COVID. If so we would have mass casualties in ALL age groups. We Don't!
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/pdfs/data/statistics/national-diabetes-statistics-report.pdf
Diabetes is predominantly an elderly disease. Old, Obese, Diabetics might be in trouble, but apparently ( since deaths rates for the age group is only 7.8% ) its not that large of a death sentence.
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19 Apr 20
@eladar saidMost fatalities will have had their lives shortened. Are you cool with that?
Yet you agree that some would have died anyhow.
In any case it will be interesting to see how Sweden who did nothing stacks up against the rest of the world.
19 Apr 20
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@joe-shmo saidThen what "co-morbidities" are you relying on for your unsubstantiated claim that most who died from COVID would have passed away in the "very near future regardless of COVID"?
"I did formulate a rational argument that you failed to rationally answer"
I said:
"And the majority of them will still look forward to years of life even after they catch it."
"there are 70 million obese Americans"
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db288.htm
Obesity is practically uniform in America across ALL age groups. It in of itself is obvious ...[text shortened]... rently ( since deaths rates for the age group is only 7.8% ) its not that large of a death sentence.
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19 Apr 20
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@torunn saidI think he chose Sweden as the figures aligned with his earlier example:
Why are you so concerned about Sweden?
"If 14000 people get this virus, how many would die? "
(I don't actually think he is 'concerned' about anybody).
19 Apr 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidOk, I hesitate to get involved in threads in this forum. I think I will stay out of this one too. Thanks. 🙂
I think he chose Sweden as the figures aligned with his earlier example:
"If 14000 people get this virus, how many would die? "
(I don't actually think he is 'concerned' about anybody).