02 Feb 05
Originally posted by NemesioAll translations lead to the one saving power JESUS CHRIST.All translations lead to salvation that GOD offers through HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.
My theoretical 'wanting' it to be false is not going to change
the Bible's content any more than your 'wanting' it to be true.
The fact is, different translations lead to different interpretations.
Sometimes, different interpretations are not reconcilable (that is
one cannot exist at the same time as the other). In circumstances
such as these, a ...[text shortened]... onclusions, then how does one conclude
whether or not one has the 'right' reading?
Nemesio
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyIt's good to hear someone say the Bible is fun to read. That seems to be a little more wholesome attitude than "believe it or die in the flames." All reading should be fun.
Kind of like eating strawberries with skimmed milk instead of cream.
The only good thing about the bible is the lyrical prose and its wonderful poetic tone. In my opinion, there is nothing to compare with the King James. It is just fun to read, much in the same sense as Willy Shakespeare.
As to keeping the interest of children... I don't buy it. ...[text shortened]... magic when I was seven. He (Taylor) was just trying to "dumb-down" the culture. And it works.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by kirksey957You must remember that I read it for it's mythical content and to gain an understanding of judeo/christian culture. I think this is vital because it is my culture. I am a creature of my conditioning. If I hope to be able to have an open mind, i must be able to recall from my culture WHY i feel a certain way when confronted with a moral question or dilema.
It's good to hear someone say the Bible is fun to read. That seems to be a little more wholesome attitude than "believe it or die in the flames." All reading should be fun.
But I'm kind of a stupid old fart. I actually think it's important to understand myself as I relate to others. Most just accept that there are "my tribe" and "others" and call it good.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by kirksey957You feel that the different translations all are not the WORD OF GOD, that is what you believe.But try telling someone that gotten saved, by acceptting GOD'S PROMISE, from one of those translations. Are you going to tell them that they are not saved because YOU, donot accept that translation, as not being GOD'S WORD. Are you excluding them from SALVATION because, they donot understand GOD'S WORD the same as you.
[b]OK, I'm a glutton for punishment. I think if you do a little research on the Living Bible you will find that it is NOT the same as the more scholarly translations. The Living Bible is a paraphrase and NOT a translation. It is universally panned by scholars, and if you do a search, you can find side-by-side verses that clearly show this is a paraphrase ...[text shortened]... le to keep the interest of children. My theology professor simply called it "the green monster."
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWywell you have made your mind up.
Kind of like eating strawberries with skimmed milk instead of cream.
The only good thing about the bible is the lyrical prose and its wonderful poetic tone. In my opinion, there is nothing to compare with the King James. It is just fun to read, much in the same sense as Willy Shakespeare.
As to keeping the interest of children... I don't buy it. ...[text shortened]... magic when I was seven. He (Taylor) was just trying to "dumb-down" the culture. And it works.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101I hate to break it this way, but Minds are the only tool we have that can guide us. We must use them. That is what we call "deciding" and comes in handy every moment of every day.
well you have made your mind up.
To not "make up ones mind" is laziness. All things must be considered. Then we must "Decide". It is a big theme of my posts over the past year. "Decide". It isn't a bad thing to do. It can be rather liberating.
When people don't use their minds, but are willing to be "conditioned by repetition" then nazi's happen. Not a good thing.
I am not equating "naziism and christianity" in the substantive form.
But I am in the causal form.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101To answer your last question. No, I would never do that. However, that is what you constantly do.
You feel that the different translations all are not the WORD OF GOD, that is what you believe.But try telling someone that gotten saved, by acceptting GOD'S PROMISE, from one of those translations. Are you going to tell them that they are not saved because YOU, donot accept that translation, as not being GOD'S WORD. Are you excluding them from SALVATION because, they donot understand GOD'S WORD the same as you.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyThat is the reason that GOD gave us the opportunity,to chose, whether or not if we, are to serve HIM, or not
I hate to break it this way, but Minds are the only tool we have that can guide us. We must use them. That is what we call "deciding" and comes in handy every moment of every day.
To not "make up ones mind" is laziness. All things must be considered. Then we must "Decide". It is a big theme of my posts over the past year. "Decide". It isn't ...[text shortened]... t equating "naziism and christianity" in the substantive form.
But I am in the causal form.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by kirksey957No I haven't. what ever translation one uses, is between themselves and GOD. All men are given freedom of choice, whatever that choice may be.
To answer your last question. No, I would never do that. However, that is what you constantly do.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101What if my translation says something like
You feel that the different translations all are not the WORD OF GOD, that is what you believe.But try telling someone that gotten saved, by acceptting GOD'S PROMISE, from one of those translations. Are you going to tell them that they are not saved because YOU, donot accept that translation, as not being GOD'S WORD. Are you excluding them from SALVATION because, they donot understand GOD'S WORD the same as you.
'Mary Magdelene used to kiss [Jesus] on the mouth.'
Would you say that I am saved?
Nemesio
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by NemesioNo. I will still think you are a simpleton. Sorry.
What if my translation says something like
'Mary Magdelene used to kiss [Jesus] on the mouth.'
Would you say that I am saved?
Nemesio
<edit> Well. You did ask. It's your fault. I can't grow your brain.
02 Feb 05
i think some people are missing the point here (i know i was a bit...😛) - yes, the bible is important. but so is going to church. so is worshiping God. so is living our lives as "good and holy people". so what if your bible is a different translation? is that really that important? i mean - if your looking to really study the bible, would you not sit down with others, with a big commentary, and have a nice discussion about it? it is something to be shared! and the commentary you use won't be based on a single translation, mine is based on the original greek/hebrew (from what i can gather it is anyway...), as i presume will be most.
and then there's church, which is one person preaching to you on, generally, a passage in the bible. it is their interpretation of it. therefore, is it not better to have a good minister than a good bible translation?!?
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by genius[and then there's church, which is one person preaching to you on, generally, a passage in the bible. it is their interpretation of it. therefore, is it not better to have a good minister than a good bible translation?!?][/b]Isn't this the same thing you bash catholics over the head with about the pope ? I thought you guys were supposed to have a direct line to god , read the bible and let him tell you what to do about it , no on ein the way - but half you guys won't even wipe your own backside unless the preacher tells you it's in his interpritation of god's plan .
And who the hell is he anyway ? What do you base his authority on ? He's just an inbred plow boy that neither the military or burger king would take . So he got a scholarship to the right-wing version of community college , managed to hang on for a year (mostly for the food), and got 'ordained' . You'll follow anything that says "I'm a preacher of god , he speaks to me" , won't you ? I mean for chrissakes , it takes more to become a freekin barber !
But you have the balls to criticize catholics for following the pope ?
03 Feb 05
Originally posted by Moldy Crowyou're thinking of RBHill - i don't really know much about catholics and so don't "bash" them. i used to date one though?...
Isn't this the same thing you bash catholics over the head with about the pope ? I thought you guys were supposed to have a direct line to god , read the bible and let him tell you what to do about it , no on ein the way - but half you guys won't even wipe your own backside unless the preacher tells you it's in his interpritation of god's plan .
And ...[text shortened]... ecome a freekin barber !
But you have the balls to criticize catholics for following the pope ?