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24 Jul 22
@kevin-eleven saidAnd no elbows on the dinner table.
I have never once seen you sit up straight.
😉
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@beowulf saidThey've had solar flare-ups in my lifetime.
ya and they would blame that on "global warming" too 😉
Nothing so severe to destroy our electronics but,
I seem to recall, years back, when it seriously
interfered with radio transmission.
Course we weren't so dependent on electronic devices....
Help me out here, Sonhouse-----late 50's 60's?
No THE SCIENTISTS DIDN'T CALL IT GLOBAL WARMING,
can you guess what this phenomena was called>?
Solar flares.......... Really, no kidding, solar flares.
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24 Jul 22
@jimm619 saidI was born in late '59 -- maybe it was me. 😉
They've had solar flare-ups in my lifetime.
Nothing so severe to destroy our electronics but,
I seem to recall, years back, when it seriously
interfered with radio transmission.
Course we weren't so dependent on electronic devices....
Help me out here, Sonhouse-----late 50's 60's?
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24 Jul 22
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@averagejoe1 saidI imagine that sometime in the 20th century if not earlier we would have been able to measure how much heat from the Sun the Earth was receiving.
"The first car was 1871, the initial power plants in the early 1900's. The massive glaciers covering the Northern US and parts of Europe were long gone thousands of years prior.
Do you think something in nature was going on that made the glaciers melt before all of these carbon emitting man-made things appeared?"
If Earth's distance from the Sun has remained relatively constant, and if the amount of heating radiation from the Sun has remained relatively constant over time, then we should rule that out as a cause.
Nightmare scenario: a micro black hole has taken up residence in the Earth's core and is slowly pulling the Earth in, resulting in an increase of geothermal heat. 😉
However, it is still important to identify whatever it is we might be doing that is slowly boiling our own frogs (i.e., our part in this, even if there are other factors involved) -- as well as to come up with responses to compensate for the climate changes and challenges that are happening, no matter what the causes.
We have the internet, we have computers to help with systems modelling, and we also have astonishing human cussedness still at work and perhaps emboldened these days.
But I still think optimism is better than pessimism, even if it's foolish optimism.
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24 Jul 22
@kevin-eleven saidThe whole Solar System took notice........... 😀
I was born in late '59 -- maybe it was me. 😉
@averagejoe1 saidThe fact that global warming has happened in the past does not negate the argument that it is happening now.
"The first car was 1871, the initial power plants in the early 1900's. The massive glaciers covering the Northern US and parts of Europe were long gone thousands of years prior.
Do you think something in nature was going on that made the glaciers melt before all of these carbon emitting man-made things appeared?"
So it is happening now. We look to scientists for best mitigation options. These ideas may not all work, but we've built up a very very expensive infrastructure that is dependent on maintaining the current climate for as long as possible. If we simply accept that climate change is happening in front of our eyes and there's nothing we can do about, the price tag is much much higher to rebuild all of our cities than to try to mitigate the progression.
24 Jul 22
@jimm619 saidThe sun is on an 11-year cycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle
They've had solar flare-ups in my lifetime.
Nothing so severe to destroy our electronics but,
I seem to recall, years back, when it seriously
interfered with radio transmission.
Course we weren't so dependent on electronic devices....
Help me out here, Sonhouse-----late 50's 60's?
No THE SCIENTISTS DIDN'T CALL IT GLOBAL WARMING,
can you guess what this phenomena was called>?
Solar flares.......... Really, no kidding, solar flares.
Short enough to see it ebb and flow many times in one lifetime.
Global warming is not that.
24 Jul 22
@beowulf said"Modern retards"?
Only modern retards think they can control a planet.
Go play with your thermostat if you want to play god.
These remarks are profoundly retarded.
And trying to claim that doing what we can to reduce the detrimental effect humans (especially too many humans) are having on the planet is "retarded", is retarded.
24 Jul 22
@beowulf saidWell said.
@mghrn55
Wrong. The earth has had a few ice ages and the last one was relatively recent.
The last glacial period began about 100,000 years ago and lasted until 25,000 years ago. Today we are in a warm interglacial period.
5 or 6 ice ages shows the earth goes up and down in temperature. We can't stop it.
GW is real, but man is not the main cause.
That is what the alarmists do not understand. They think if GW is real that means man caused it. That is a leap in faith I will never understand.