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22 Jul 22
@mghrn55 saidYou keep saying this, that a 4 page thread is stupid? While you post on it. Libs.
Correct. About 5 ice ages in the last million years.
My thoughts on major contributors to climate change.
Variations in Sun's energy output and volcanic activity.
Add to that human activity.
This is still a stupid thread.
@metal-brain saidWe dug up Earth's carbon stores of dinosaur remains from hundreds of millions of years ago and burned it.
How?
We created machines capable of traveling hundreds of miles and hour faster than any land animal and now fly people around in 45,000 of them every day.
We built mountains. We destroyed mountains.
We dammed rivers to create lakes and harnessed the wind and sun and water and atom for electricity.
We innovated around global communication that used to take months or years by launching rockets into space with satellites on board.
We flattened cities with the push of a button.
We created new species of animals and strains of COVID.
We tunneled and built and clear cut and harvested and traveled the Earth based on humanity's needs. Many of those things had "you can't do that" naysayers but to think that we are incapable of making modifications to our climate is absurd defeatism.
What is the alternative? Prepare for changing climate. Except we're not doing that either. The alternative approach seems to be "cover your ears because the real problems will come when we're all dead." Good plan.
@wildgrass said"We dug up Earth's carbon stores of dinosaur remains from hundreds of millions of years ago and burned it."
We dug up Earth's carbon stores of dinosaur remains from hundreds of millions of years ago and burned it.
We created machines capable of traveling hundreds of miles and hour faster than any land animal and now fly people around in 45,000 of them every day.
We built mountains. We destroyed mountains.
We dammed rivers to create lakes and harnessed the wind and sun an ...[text shortened]... ch seems to be "cover your ears because the real problems will come when we're all dead." Good plan.
Not all of it. Not even a fraction of it.
Man does a lot of neat things, but it cannot control the climate without using nuclear bombs. I heard about some stupid plan to block out the sun to cool the planet. I laughed so hard I was beside myself.
You sure do believe some really stupid things. Do you think we can control the Milankovic cycles too? How will we prevent the next ice age? You need to take a reality pill.
25 Jul 22
@metal-brain saidLOL. You asked for examples of our capabilities in dominating the planet and when I mentioned harvesting dinosaur remains hundreds of millions of years old your response is "we didn't get all of it yet!!!"
"We dug up Earth's carbon stores of dinosaur remains from hundreds of millions of years ago and burned it."
Not all of it. Not even a fraction of it.
Man does a lot of neat things, but it cannot control the climate without using nuclear bombs. I heard about some stupid plan to block out the sun to cool the planet. I laughed so hard I was beside myself.
You sure do ...[text shortened]... ol the Milankovic cycles too? How will we prevent the next ice age? You need to take a reality pill.
What?
The "how" is obviously debatable. But I was responding to a post indicating that climate control is not possible.
25 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidFirst of all you are misinformed. Oil is not just dinosaur remains. In fact it is mostly other remains.
LOL. You asked for examples of our capabilities in dominating the planet and when I mentioned harvesting dinosaur remains hundreds of millions of years old your response is "we didn't get all of it yet!!!"
What?
The "how" is obviously debatable. But I was responding to a post indicating that climate control is not possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event
Climate control is not possible. Not unless you want to use nuclear bombs.
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@wildgrass said............WOW..........10 THUMBS UP~!
We dug up Earth's carbon stores of dinosaur remains from hundreds of millions of years ago and burned it.
We created machines capable of traveling hundreds of miles and hour faster than any land animal and now fly people around in 45,000 of them every day.
We built mountains. We destroyed mountains.
We dammed rivers to create lakes and harnessed the wind and sun an ...[text shortened]... ch seems to be "cover your ears because the real problems will come when we're all dead." Good plan.
This is one of the best posts that I've ever read~!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Indeed, what's the alternative?
25 Jul 22
@metal-brain saidWait you write it's not possible but also that it is?
First of all you are misinformed. Oil is not just dinosaur remains. In fact it is mostly other remains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event
Climate control is not possible. Not unless you want to use nuclear bombs.
Counterpoint: Climate control is possible.
25 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidTrump once suggested using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes.
Wait you write it's not possible but also that it is?
Counterpoint: Climate control is possible.
Do you like that idea?
@jimm619 saidHe thought oil was from dinosaurs.
............WOW..........10 THUMBS UP~!
This is one of the best posts that I've ever read~!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Indeed, what's the alternative?
Only you would give misinformation a thumbs up.
His post was almost as stupid as sonhouse's idea of creating an artificial magnetic field around Mars.
25 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 saidIn the 16th and 17th century there was a little ice age (as it is called). Europe cooled by an average of 2 degrees for a while.
"The first car was 1871, the initial power plants in the early 1900's. The massive glaciers covering the Northern US and parts of Europe were long gone thousands of years prior.
Do you think something in nature was going on that made the glaciers melt before all of these carbon emitting man-made things appeared?"
The large ice age was, when? 10.000 years ago roughly? And since then temperatures have generally normalized (ie not changed much) and left us with an X-amount of perma frost and glaciers.
Since the industrial revolution (7 billion more people, cars, factories, massive food industries, etc.) the Earth has been warming up.
Only the simplest of fools cannot see the causation between the two: scientists have proven it, by measuring the amount of various gasses in the air (to simplify it extremely).
To be precise here: no matter the cause, the Earth is warming up. Fact. The consequences are going to happen.
It just so happens that because of the cause, there is the possibility to change it.
Now, you don’t need to worry about the end of the world. That’s exaggerated blah blah. The world is not going to end.
What is going to end, in the foreseeable future; in your kids / grand kids generations, is the world as we know it.
The weather is going to get ever extremer. Sea levels are going to rise. Countries (like the US) which don’t or can’t invest in mega protection infrastructures are going to suffer constant flooding or have large areas disappear like an Atlantis. Air quality is going to get poorer. Etc.
Because we don’t have to march along like dinosaurs to the slaughter on this one, global warming scientists are attempting to change this course of events, by warning us to change our behaviour.
Think about it: either we do nothing and suffer the consequences like sheep. Or we do something and interfere with what’s happening.
Personally? I don’t give a damn. I hope you all die screaming in a fire storm.
@metal-brain saidYou've focused on a very specific over-simplification in my prior post, which was irrelevant to the point, and completely ignored the question I asked.
He thought oil was from dinosaurs.
Only you would give misinformation a thumbs up.
His post was almost as stupid as sonhouse's idea of creating an artificial magnetic field around Mars.
We're all on the same page that climate change is happening now. It's common ground, as they say for debate purposes. Humanity has used enormous powers of innovation to crawl our way out of numerous historical crises, and developed remarkably creative solutions to big problems in the past. Many thought at the time these ideas were not possible. But they were.
Now you're saying this isn't possible. Shouldn't we at least try?
The alternative, I think, is to accept that the world is fundamentally and irreversibly changing and do nothing to try to stop it. Instead, we re-do all our infrastructure. On an economic scale, the difference between carbon mitigation as a solution vs. abandoning Texas due to unlivable heat is a no brainer.
Mitigation might work. We should try it.