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18 Mar 23
20 Mar 23
@metal-brain saidWhen Trump comes out unscathed on the other side,,,,,,thus a WINNER once again,..... you fellers will need to go to counselors as he sails!!!!!!
Because Trump is looking forward to it. It will give him the media attention he wants and republicans will turn against the double standard and support Trump.
Democrats are playing right into Trump's goal. He wants to be arrested. Nothing could please him more.
20 Mar 23
@averagejoe1 saidBiden needs Trump to win the nomination. Running against Trump is the only chance he has according to the polls. I'm not saying he can beat Trump if that is the case, just that if he had to run against anyone else Biden would surely lose.
When Trump comes out unscathed on the other side,,,,,,thus a WINNER once again,..... you fellers will need to go to counselors as he sails!!!!!!
@metal-brain saidNo, you don't and your tiresome claims that everyone else but you is :"lying" is ridiculous.
I know exactly what Lawfare means and what HRC did fits the definition perfectly.
Do you have to resort to lying about definitions now?
Lawfare is using legal proceedings to advance a political agenda and HRC funding opposition research hardly fits that description. All you are proving is that you are obnoxiously ignorant.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lawfare
20 Mar 23
@metal-brain saidI don't think I could bet on the outcome, it is like watching a movie with a surprise ending. The Bidens bring entertainment.
Biden needs Trump to win the nomination. Running against Trump is the only chance he has according to the polls. I'm not saying he can beat Trump if that is the case, just that if he had to run against anyone else Biden would surely lose.
The Trump stories are a gift to the Bidens, deflecting their horrible life styles, graft, the discovery yesterday of 11 more chunks of money from China,.... who has even heard about that.
But we sure do hear about Trump.......which will be a story that ends with zip. Have you seen the random videos of black people on rampage, even hitting infirmed people with canes? Does the liberal media ever show this stuff? Should we be scared? I'm scared myself. Oops, got off subject .
20 Mar 23
@averagejoe1 saidOff subject racism is the standard MO of right wingers on this board.
I don't think I could bet on the outcome, it is like watching a movie with a surprise ending. The Bidens bring entertainment.
The Trump stories are a gift to the Bidens, deflecting their horrible life styles, graft, the discovery yesterday of 11 more chunks of money from China,.... who has even heard about that.
But we sure do hear about Trump.......which will ...[text shortened]... eral media ever show this stuff? Should we be scared? I'm scared myself. Oops, got off subject .
20 Mar 23
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@no1marauder said" Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimize an opponent, or to deter individual's usage of their legal rights.[1][2][3][4]
No, you don't and your tiresome claims that everyone else but you is :"lying" is ridiculous.
Lawfare is using legal proceedings to advance a political agenda and HRC funding opposition research hardly fits that description. All you are proving is that you are obnoxiously ignorant.
The term may refer to the use of legal systems and principles against an enemy, such as by damaging or delegitimizing them, wasting their time and money (e.g. SLAPP suits), or winning a public relations victory."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare
I said The Steele dossier was used as lawfare against Trump and Russia. Lawfare is the PERFECT definition for that. You are wrong again and you pouting about it like a child is proof of nothing. Get over it!
20 Mar 23
@averagejoe1 saidIt is not a coincidence that the most unpopular candidates win their party nominations. The only way they can get a corrupt stooges in place as POTUS is to run 2 corrupt stooges against each other. Unpopular candidates is a symptom of a fake democracy without runoff voting to prevent that symptom from always coming up.
I don't think I could bet on the outcome, it is like watching a movie with a surprise ending. The Bidens bring entertainment.
The Trump stories are a gift to the Bidens, deflecting their horrible life styles, graft, the discovery yesterday of 11 more chunks of money from China,.... who has even heard about that.
But we sure do hear about Trump.......which will ...[text shortened]... eral media ever show this stuff? Should we be scared? I'm scared myself. Oops, got off subject .
A lot of people are letting polls determine who they vote for. They obviously are not voting for the person they like the most. That would result in popular candidates.
20 Mar 23
@metal-brain saidThe creation of the Steele dossier had nothing to do with any legal proceedings so all you are proving is your stubborn ignorance.
" Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimize an opponent, or to deter individual's usage of their legal rights.[1][2][3][4]
The term may refer to the use of legal systems and principles against an enemy, such as by damaging or delegitimizing them, wasting their time and money (e.g. SLAPP suits), or winning a public relations victory. ...[text shortened]... or that. You are wrong again and you pouting about it like a child is proof of nothing. Get over it!
20 Mar 23
@no1marauder saidHow do you think a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page was achieved?
The creation of the Steele dossier had nothing to do with any legal proceedings so all you are proving is your stubborn ignorance.
The Steele dossier.
That warrant to spy was a fishing expedition to find any dirt they possibly could. It was lawfare. I'm sure HRC would claim she didn't intend for it to be used for lawfare, but it was so she is suspect. Her calling Trump an illegitimate POTUS makes her even more suspect.
20 Mar 23
@metal-brain saidThe FISA warrant was done in secret and not until after Page had left the Trump campaign. Even assuming the Steele dossier was a major factor in the granting of the warrant (a dubious assumption), this did not amount to use of the legal system for any type of political gain.
How do you think a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page was achieved?
The Steele dossier.
That warrant to spy was a fishing expedition to find any dirt they possibly could. It was lawfare. I'm sure HRC would claim she didn't intend for it to be used for lawfare, but it was so she is suspect. Her calling Trump an illegitimate POTUS makes her even more suspect.
20 Mar 23
@no1marauder saidWhich warrant are you referring to? There were 4 of them.
The FISA warrant was done in secret and not until after Page had left the Trump campaign. Even assuming the Steele dossier was a major factor in the granting of the warrant (a dubious assumption), this did not amount to use of the legal system for any type of political gain.
The Steele dossier was a major factor in the granting of the warrant.
Your failure to acknowledge that proves you are in denial. Is admitting you are wrong such a horrible thing? Nobody is right 100% of the time. You forgot about Carter Page. It happens.
It is Lawfare. The definition is not just good, it is perfect.
The Steele dossier was used for Lawfare. Half of the warrants were not even valid.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406
20 Mar 23
@metal-brain saidYou stamping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue does not an argument make. The definition of Lawfare does not remotely apply to the creation of the Steele dossier for the reasons already given - which you have given no reason to dispute.
Which warrant are you referring to? There were 4 of them.
The Steele dossier was a major factor in the granting of the warrant.
Your failure to acknowledge that proves you are in denial. Is admitting you are wrong such a horrible thing? Nobody is right 100% of the time. You forgot about Carter Page. It happens.
It is Lawfare. The definition is not just good, it is ...[text shortened]... .nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406
I did not forget about Carter Page, but the FISA warrants (and the first two were never declared invalid) could not possibly have been used for political advantage by the HRC Campaign in 2016 and weren't.
20 Mar 23
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@no1marauder saidYou are projecting again. Stop stomping your feet and projecting that onto me.
You stamping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue does not an argument make. The definition of Lawfare does not remotely apply to the creation of the Steele dossier for the reasons already given - which you have given no reason to dispute.
I did not forget about Carter Page, but the FISA warrants (and the first two were never declared invalid) could not possibly have been used for political advantage by the HRC Campaign in 2016 and weren't.
From the link below:
" The FBI, inspector general Michael Horowitz found, had changed or withheld significant information used to build its application to surveil Page. The FBI attorney who changed the information is now under criminal investigation.
Collyer called these “troubling instances.”
The court specifically noted on Tuesday new information that should have cast doubt within the FBI about the accuracy of ex-British spy Christopher Steele’s dossier on Donald Trump and Russia, which was cited in the Page warrant.
The FBI withheld information “which was detrimental to their case for believing that Mr. Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power,” Collyer wrote.
Four judges on the foreign surveillance court, because of the FBI’s representations, had signed off on surveillance warrants of Page in October 2016 and in 2017, after he served on the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser. "
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/fisa-court-slams-fbi-conduct
Some of the FISA warrants predated the investigation into Trump. They obviously had an influence on Comey deciding to investigate him. Hillary's campaign has nothing to do with this. It is irrelevant. The Steele dossier was used as a political and legal weapon against a sitting president. Possibly a coup attempt.
What was Kevin Clinesmith convicted of? Remind the others on here.
20 Mar 23
@averagejoe1 saidYou don't even know what the charges are or what the evidence is against him.
Wildgrass says Trump is not a victim of political persecution. He also thinks, out of all the people with loan obligations in the USA, that the ones with college degrees and opportunities galore before them, should have their loans wiped away.
Follow his posts and be enlightened .