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@shavixmir saidOh dear.
The tories are cracking me up.
I can only hope it drags on for a year. As England slowly sinks into the banana monarchy they have been staggering towards for years; the Russian and Saudi-Arabian bankers which fund the tories spiriling into international oblivion as London’s financial district rips itself a new arse hole and plops out a new slimey turd of putrified Etonian pig shaggers.
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20 Oct 22
@shallow-blue saidI disagree. She got voted in by the wider Tory membership because they preferred her rhetoric about “lower taxes” rather than Sunak’s pragmatic but austerity mantra.
I mean exactly what I said before.
She was voted in by the few members of the inner Tory party, not by the many, many more non-member country-wide electorate who would, in a general election, have voted for or against whatever member the Conservative Party would float in their constituency.
The Man on the Clapham Omnibus - or rather, the Man in the Buckinghamshire ...[text shortened]... bviously wrong. But for once, it's not the fault of Little England, it's the fault of Arrogant Eton.
Every country in the west is in massive debt because of a politicised drive to take a completely over the top approach to combatting Covid-19. All of the UK’s approach to lockdowns was supported by Labour, in fact Labour would have had us on lockdown far earlier and out of it far later, so the debt would be even worse. That debt would have to be paid back by any government, including a Labour one.
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20 Oct 22
@teinosuke saidI pretty much agree with what you’ve written here.
In case I created any doubt about the matter, I think this government is appalling. And of course our rulers are at fault. They have been for decades; the Western world swapped small problems for much bigger ones when we dumped the incredibly successful postwar Keynesian consensus in response to a few awkward years in the mid- to late-1970s.
The point I was making, obvio ...[text shortened]... leave a sitting government unscathed.
Trump is much more of a paleo-con than a neo-con, I think.
But I’m not sure you’re right about Sunak not being able to win the next general election. Remember he did a fine job as chancellor during covid. Some people in the public domain don’t like him because he’s filthy rich but that’s not why some of the Tories don’t like him. They don’t like him because he brought down Johnson. If he was in power doing a good job the public will ignore his wealth and the Tories will forget about Johnson… who by the way will still be around and still levering his influence.
Get rid of Truss, get Sunak in number 10 and I think it will be Conservatives who will win the next general election.
Sticking my neck out here, for sure.
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20 Oct 22
@vivify saidNo you didn’t say that, Metal Brain is chasing phantom squirrels up the wrong trees as usual.
I didn't say anything like that, did I?
I said UK's conservatives seem to be just as dumb as US conservatives like you.
UK conservatism is not the same as US conservatism. And it’s nothing to do with “dumbness”, you really ought to stop saying that as it just makes you look dumb yourself.
20 Oct 22
@vivify saidOnly conservatives? All conservatives voted for and all others voted against?
I didn't say anything like that, did I?
I said UK's conservatives seem to be just as dumb as US conservatives like you.
Not one exception? You don't have a Joe Manchin type of politician in the UK that votes with conservatives when they don't have a majority?
Have you ever thought that they might be paid to vote that way?
20 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidIt was an internal election in the tory party.
Only conservatives? All conservatives voted for and all others voted against?
Not one exception? You don't have a Joe Manchin type of politician in the UK that votes with conservatives when they don't have a majority?
Have you ever thought that they might be paid to vote that way?
20 Oct 22
@divegeester saidTeach me how UK politics work. Which party holds the majority in parliament? How did parliament vote in each political party? Did anybody cross party lines?
No you didn’t say that, Metal Brain is chasing phantom squirrels up the wrong trees as usual.
UK conservatism is not the same as US conservatism. And it’s nothing to do with “dumbness”, you really ought to stop saying that as it just makes you look dumb yourself.
20 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidDoes that mean the tory party has the majority and the minority didn't matter?
It was an internal election in the tory party.
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@metal-brain saidNo.
Teach me how UK politics work.
Spend some time reading quality reference material instead of filling your already twisted paranoid mind with confirmation bias junk food.
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@shavixmir saidA process which in the past has worked fine for both sides of the House. However, this time it is clear that the process is flawed.
It was an internal election in the tory party.
I would change it such that, other than the case of a death of a PM, the rule should be that there is a general election if a party want to change the PM. This would stop all this internal bickering and debilitating nonsense.
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Another thing I WILL change (come the revolution) is the way political parties are permitted to be funded.
I don’t have a solution, but I would certainly stop wealthy individuals and business funding politics and I’d also stop the trade unions doing the same for Labour.
It’s a process riddled with corruption on both sides and should be stopped.
@divegeester saidI’m not sure how unions openly funding the party that was started by them can be construed as the same corruption as a bunch of non doms furtively pumping money into a political party for services to be rendered.
Another thing I WILL change (come the revolution) is the way political parties are permitted to be funded.
I don’t have a solution, but I would certainly stop wealthy individuals and business funding politics and I’d also stop the trade unions doing the same for Labour.
It’s a process riddled with corruption on both sides and should be stopped.
I was watching Farage on GBnews last night and the right wing of the party is describing the recent change in Home Office Ministers as a “remainer coup” how is a party that divided and that far up its own lower bowel supposed to win an election or run a country?
It’s time for the tories to go home and have a chat with themselves and let a non ideologically obsessed leader like Starmer take a shot at not effing the country up.
It’s a pattern that any party in power for too long stops fighting it’s enemy and turns in on itself, it’s not a bad thing to not live in a one party state.
20 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidIt seems to be a thing in the UK parties stay in power longer than two terms and eventually explode because there is no pressure from an outside force like an alternative government to keep them focused on elections
One of the problems is the length of period they’ve been in power.
It’s just not healthy.