@kevcvs57 saidI’m not saying they are the same Kev, I’m saying that both are unhealthy and unhelpful.
I’m not sure how unions openly funding the party that was started by them can be construed as the same corruption as a bunch of non doms furtively pumping money into a political party for services to be rendered.
I was watching Farage on GBnews last night and the right wing of the party is describing the recent change in Home Office Ministers as a “remainer coup” how is a p ...[text shortened]... s fighting it’s enemy and turns in on itself, it’s not a bad thing to not live in a one party state.
Funding should be centralised in some way.
20 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidIf the Labour Party weren’t soft on unions due to their funding, and had a more robust economic strategy then they would undoubtedly be in a much stronger position; certainly with floating voters like myself.
It seems to be a thing in the UK parties stay in power longer than two terms and eventually explode because there is no pressure from an outside force like an alternative government to keep them focused on elections
20 Oct 22
@divegeester saidUnions are made up of working people who pay a portion if their union fees to finance a political party that is supposed to defend the interests of working people. How often has the Conservative party had cosy chats with the CBI, if the workers cannot have a party that represents them why should the Businesses or the city.
If the Labour Party weren’t soft on unions due to their funding, and had a more robust economic strategy then they would undoubtedly be in a much stronger position; certainly with floating voters like myself.
I agree that labours association with the Trades Union movement costs them at elections but that’s got more to do with how TUs are portrayed by the corporate owned media than the fact of working people having direct overt access to the policy formation of a major political party.
@divegeester saidOh, please. She's never had any. She "thought" it was a disgrace that you import a lot of cheese.
Truss is a very smart
Thoughts?
@metal-brain saidDesigned to be, just like in the USA.
So democracy in the UK is a farce too, right?
Still, at least it's not as much of a complete scam as in your Russia.
@shallow-blue saidThat’s quite an argument.
She "thought" it was a disgrace that you import a lot of cheese.
@divegeester saidIf that's sticking your neck out, I'm a Scotsman.
Get rid of Truss, get Sunak in number 10 and I think it will be Conservatives who will win the next general election.
Sticking my neck out here, for sure.
Come on, you've had Tory governments for the last forty years
yes, I know what I wrote and I meant it
and unless you make the ridiculous mistake of letting Gurning Liz head the next general election, you'll be in government for at least the next forty as well - if Scotland does manage to secede, for the next one hundred and forty.@shallow-blue saidWell there was the Blair interlude but I can see where the confusion came from.
If that's sticking your neck out, I'm a Scotsman.
Come on, you've had Tory governments for the last forty years Hidden content removed and unless you make the ridiculous mistake of letting Gurning Liz head the next general election, you'll be in government for at least the next forty as well - if Scotland does manage to secede, for the next one hundred and forty.
Anyway the halfwit has resigned and my prediction is the Mordaunt / Sunak combo
If the two wings of the Tory party keep trying to kill each other it’ll be Starmers turn to run the ship of state onto the rocks
@kevcvs57 saidYou didn't un-hide my hidden remark, then.
Well there was the Blair interlude but I can see where the confusion came from.
Anyway the halfwit has resigned
Wow, that's breaking news and no mistake!
What next, finally a general election where the real Englishman, not just the party member, gets a vote?
Nah, can't be allowed. The Party must prevail. Me, I'd vote for Nicola if I were allowed to.
20 Oct 22
@shallow-blue saidThe tories are going through mad-hatter leaders like a Thai bar dancer goes through ping pong balls.
You didn't un-hide my hidden remark, then.Anyway the halfwit has resigned
Wow, that's breaking news and no mistake!
What next, finally a general election where the real Englishman, not just the party member, gets a vote?
Nah, can't be allowed. The Party must prevail. Me, I'd vote for Nicola if I were allowed to.
20 Oct 22
Wow, I didn't know she resigned until reading this thread.
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/20/liz-truss-uk-prime-minister-resigns
. . . .in the wake of a chaotic vote on Wednesday evening over fracking, which Truss supports but many Conservative MPs oppose. . . .a chaotic scene played out in which the chief whip reportedly announced she was resigning and Truss left the chamber to chase after her — causing both to miss the vote. That episode seemed to sum up Truss' short tenure.
God damn. This is an epic downfall.
20 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidOr a Mexican one through goats.
The tories are going through mad-hatter leaders like a Thai bar dancer goes through ping pong balls.
Or... a Tory through sows' heads.
20 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidI didn’t think so. Playing the victim of media isn’t really a good argument. The unions have a history of militantly holding the Labour party to ransom and it’s not right.
Unions are made up of working people who pay a portion if their union fees to finance a political party that is supposed to defend the interests of working people. How often has the Conservative party had cosy chats with the CBI, if the workers cannot have a party that represents them why should the Businesses or the city.
I agree that labours association with the Trades Un ...[text shortened]... act of working people having direct overt access to the policy formation of a major political party.
I do agree with the point of having unions by the way.