UK conservatives: as dumb as America's?

@shavixmir said
I bet those tories are going to cling to power like snot clings to a nose, like 💩 clings to an arse, like Metal Brain clings to insanity.

BoJo is coming back 😆

@divegeester said
I didn’t think so. Playing the victim of media isn’t really a good argument. The unions have a history of militantly holding the Labour party to ransom and it’s not right.

True - it's left!

As it should be.

@divegeester said
BoJo is coming back 😆

See? Forty more years for you.

@shallow-blue said
You didn't un-hide my hidden remark, then.

Anyway the halfwit has resigned

Wow, that's breaking news and no mistake!

What next, finally a general election where the real Englishman, not just the party member, gets a vote?

Nah, can't be allowed. The Party must prevail. Me, I'd vote for Nicola if I were allowed to.

I did but I assumed it was directed at dive.
The tories do like a December election especially when they are looking for a low turnout so I wouldn’t rule that out but the other option is to limp on until they are bound to hold an election in the hope that the nation gets distracted by WWIII or a complete climate meltdown where the Thames merges with the Mersey, the Tyne and the Clyde.

@shallow-blue said
See? Forty more years for you.

Huh?

@divegeester said
I pretty much agree with what you’ve written here.

But I’m not sure you’re right about Sunak not being able to win the next general election. Remember he did a fine job as chancellor during covid. Some people in the public domain don’t like him because he’s filthy rich but that’s not why some of the Tories don’t like him. They don’t like him because he brought down Jo ...[text shortened]... ll be Conservatives who will win the next general election.

Sticking my neck out here, for sure.

Well - events have overtaken us! We'll soon see whether it will be Sunak after all. I would have said a few hours ago that I thought the party might rally around Jeremy Hunt, but he's ruled himself out.

I wonder if Mordaunt is more likely than Sunak, though. She's made fewer enemies.

Indeed, it's precisely because of what Sunak did during COVID that I think he's unlikely at this moment. When the last leadership contest took place, a Danish friend asked me if I thought the Conservative Party was hostile to him because he was a person of colour. I said I thought they were hostile to him because he was a Keynesian!

I also wonder if he might think it's a poisoned chalice right now. If the Tories lose in 2024, that could be his moment. He'll still be under 50 in 2029.

@teinosuke said
Indeed, it's precisely because of what Sunak did during COVID that I think he's unlikely at this moment.

What precisely, are you referring to?

@divegeester said
What precisely, are you referring to?

Pretty obviously, that he spent public money and practised the kind of economic intervention that makes sense to most of us, but is anathema to Tory free marketeers.

@divegeester said
I’m not saying they are the same Kev, I’m saying that both are unhealthy and unhelpful.

Funding should be centralised in some way.

The funding should also be transparent. Every donation or contribution to a political party over 20 pounds should be publicly declared, by law. Same in the USA. Furthermore, no foreign funds should be allowed, at all.

@teinosuke said
Pretty obviously, that he spent public money and practised the kind of economic intervention that makes sense to most of us, but is anathema to Tory free marketeers.

Oh I get what you meant now, sorry.

Thanks for clarifying.

@moonbus said
The funding should also be transparent. Every donation or contribution to a political party over 20 pounds should be publicly declared, by law. Same in the USA. Furthermore, no foreign funds should be allowed, at all.

Absolutely.

@divegeester said
If the Labour Party weren’t soft on unions due to their funding, and had a more robust economic strategy then they would undoubtedly be in a much stronger position; certainly with floating voters like myself.

And if the Tory party wasn’t so soft on robber barons and money launderers there might be one decent human being in their ranks but….

@teinosuke said
Pretty obviously, that he spent public money and practised the kind of economic intervention that makes sense to most of us, but is anathema to Tory free marketeers.

That’s the problem the Tory party is at least two possibly three distinct parties now. Like all parties there have always been well defined wings on the left and right but this has been complicated by hard Brexit and soft Brexit sub wings, one nation…. the list getting unmanageable.
The Brexit referendum was called because Cameron thought it would put the brexiteer cadre back in its box, the rest is history. But the question remains how much more instability and damage can they do before they devolve into their constituent parts and hand the tiller to a relatively less dysfunctional family.

@divegeester said
BoJo is coming back 😆

Answering the thread’s question.
Yes. Tories and their supporters are dumb as hell.