Was Moscow Car-bomb Staged?

@mghrn55 said
One of the things about this murder was that the actual killing was a bit of an overkill in itself.
They could have just killed her by other means.
But a car bomb makes a big splash on the media.
I would think that the Ukraines would be the least likely of suspects to make this kind of a splash.

Exactly. Why kill in a such a flashy way? A car-bombing at night when the flames will look even more spectacular?

And who has access to car-bombs that can be detonated remotely? That sounds like military-grade equipment. And why not detonate the bomb as soon as Alexander Dugin steps in: why wait until a few miles were driven? That would also have to mean someone followed Dugin in order to be in range to detonate the bomb...and they just so happened to pick a very conspicuous public spot, where they'd have a much higher chance of being seen.

It's as if this was specifically manufactured to generate news.

@vivify said
Exactly. Why kill in a such a flashy way? A car-bombing at night when the flames will look even more spectacular?

And who has access to car-bombs that can be detonated remotely? That sounds like military-grade equipment. And why not detonate the bomb as soon as Alexander Dugin steps in: why wait until a few miles were driven? That would also have to mean someone fo ...[text shortened]... much higher chance of being seen.

It's as if this was specifically manufactured to generate news.

Kinda like Serbian nationalists shooting an Austrian archduke?

Ponomarev made his statement and published the Nationalist Republican Army manifesto about 24 hours after the murder. That's one heck of a coincidence, isn't it?

@no1marauder said
Kinda like Serbian nationalists shooting an Austrian archduke?

Ponomarev made his statement and published the Nationalist Republican Army manifesto about 24 hours after the murder. That's one heck of a coincidence, isn't it?

Not sure what you're implying: that I read this guy's manifesto? I had to Google who he was and I wasn't aware of his statements. If I was aware I would've included him in this thread.

@vivify said
Exactly. Why kill in a such a flashy way? A car-bombing at night when the flames will look even more spectacular?

And who has access to car-bombs that can be detonated remotely? That sounds like military-grade equipment. And why not detonate the bomb as soon as Alexander Dugin steps in: why wait until a few miles were driven? That would also have to mean someone fo ...[text shortened]... much higher chance of being seen.

It's as if this was specifically manufactured to generate news.

Bombs can be made with timers that start when the car starts

@athousandyoung said
Bombs can be made with timers that start when the car starts

Okay. Even so, why not time it so it detonates as soon as the car is turned on?

Dugen got out of the car and later switched with his daughter. Why give him enough time to safely get out? What if neither of them got back into the car before it exploded? It would've been a monumental waste.

The more you think about it the more illogical this assassination is.

@no1marauder said
I'm not a Christian and I certainly don't believe that Holy Trinity nonsense. So if you can find any quotes from Jesus supporting murders of this sort in the New Testament, I'd love to see them.

You surely know that one side committing war crimes doesn't justify the other side doing so. At any rate, it does not appear the Ukraine was involved.

and I certainly don't believe that Holy Trinity nonsense.
Nor do I. God is One; and Jesus was and is God.
So if you can find any quotes from Jesus supporting murders of this sort in the New Testament, I'd love to see them.
You are correct, there are none.
You surely know that one side committing war crimes doesn't justify the other side doing so.
I find this extremely debatable; unless innocents are killed; which she clearly was not. This is why just about every country has nukes pointed at every other country just in case.

@vivify said
Exactly. Why kill in a such a flashy way? A car-bombing at night when the flames will look even more spectacular?

And who has access to car-bombs that can be detonated remotely? That sounds like military-grade equipment. And why not detonate the bomb as soon as Alexander Dugin steps in: why wait until a few miles were driven? That would also have to mean someone fo ...[text shortened]... much higher chance of being seen.

It's as if this was specifically manufactured to generate news.

The National Republican Army according to its manifesto is trying to trigger a national uprising which will overthrow Putin. https://news.yahoo.com/darya-dugina-killed-partisans-national-185407641.html

Of course, it would want the act to be "spectacular".

@no1marauder said
The National Republican Army according to its manifesto is trying to trigger a national uprising which will overthrow Putin. https://news.yahoo.com/darya-dugina-killed-partisans-national-185407641.html

Of course, it would want the act to be "spectacular".

Interesting. Never heard of this group until now.

Well, thread answered. I still find it strange that they detonated the car to kill the daughter rather than Dugen himself, who is more connected to Putin and (I would assume) more influential.

@vivify said
Interesting. Never heard of this group until now.

Well, thread answered. I still find it strange that they detonated the car to kill the daughter rather than Dugen himself, who is more connected to Putin and (I would assume) more influential.

I'm sure the killers thought both were in the car.

It's really not unusual for someone to decide to ride in a different car; maybe he wanted to talk someone in the other car.

@no1marauder said
Tell me, MB Jr., why in the world would Putin kill one of his most prominent ultra-nationalist supporters?

According to this video from a German news channel, an obscure group called the "Nationalist Republican Army" has claimed responsibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDisvwsE98Y

Vilify gave you a very possible ( given the ultra Machiavellian nature of Putin ) explanation and it seems he has not been close to Putin for a while, if he ever was.
I do not have a clue who did or didn’t do this I wouldn’t count Ukraine out but it would be the stupidest thing they’ve done in this war, but all governments do stupid and barbaric things in wars.

@no1marauder said
I'm sure the killers thought both were in the car.

It's really not unusual for someone to decide to ride in a different car; maybe he wanted to talk someone in the other car.

They *both* switched cars though. That's what makes this really strange. It was only after exchanging vehicles that the bomb was detonated. Why kill the less important figure? And why hasn't anyone heard of the Russian NRA until now?

@vivify said
Exactly. Why kill in a such a flashy way? A car-bombing at night when the flames will look even more spectacular?
And who has access to car-bombs that can be detonated remotely? That sounds like military-grade equipment.

What difference does it make how big a flash it makes, day or night? It wasn't like it was being done for a Hollywood movie.
EVERYONE who is an amateur hobbyist can make a remote-controlled bomb, and the technology has been available since the 1950's, if not many years before.
Seriously, where have you been?

@vivify said
They *both* switched cars though. That's what makes this really strange. It was only after exchanging vehicles that the bomb was detonated. Why kill the less important figure? And why hasn't anyone heard of the Russian NRA until now?

This is the nature of tragedy though. Assuming a timed device and the daughter not being asked to switch cars, he was toast. Maybe he and Putin had a falling out. Maybe due to some conversation or an aside, he was considered to be a liability. Maybe he was going soft on the whole Ukrainian war.

On the other hand maybe the daughter was the target, and the car switching, which can be seen as nothing more than standard security precaution, was predicated by security loyal to Putin who used their influence to achieve their objective. Kill the daughter as a final warning, that no more deviation or softening from the original Putin agenda would be tolerated. The group claiming responsibility is a sham.

@jj-adams said
What difference does it make how big a flash it makes, day or night? It wasn't like it was being done for a Hollywood movie.

Whoever did this wanted to make a spectacle that will capture the world's attention.

@no1marauder said
The National Republican Army according to its manifesto is trying to trigger a national uprising which will overthrow Putin. https://news.yahoo.com/darya-dugina-killed-partisans-national-185407641.html

Of course, it would want the act to be "spectacular".

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-blames-ukraine-in-killing-of-putin-allys-daughter-11661185203

Russia Blames Ukraine in Car Bomb Killing of Daria Dugina

Not even Russia believes your never-before-heard-of group is responsible. Just as I predicted, Russia blames Ukraine for the attack.