24 Aug 22
@vivify saidNo pro-Putin ally was blown to bits in that fabricated assassination plot.
Some more detail on Russia being accused of fabricating an assassination plot against a pro-Putin ally back in April:
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-agents-the-sims-video-game-sting-operation-2022-4
@no1marauder saidPutin is a known murderer of dissidents. He is also known for false flag attacks.
No pro-Putin ally was blown to bits in that fabricated assassination plot.
Given Russia not long ago fabricated an assassination plot, are you saying that it is beyond a murderous dictator to kill one of his own for political gain? Keep in mind it was the daughter of his ally that was killed, not the man Putin was more directly connected to.
24 Aug 22
@vivify saidYes, he's been known to assassinate dissidents.
Putin is a known murderer of dissidents. He is also known for false flag attacks.
Given Russia not long ago fabricated an assassination plot, are you saying that it is beyond a murderous dictator to kill one of his own for political gain? Keep in mind it was the daughter of his ally that was killed, not the man Putin was more directly connected to.
No, he has not been known to assassinate loyal supporters.
Absent any plausible reason for him to do so, I find wild speculation of this sort just that.
@no1marauder saidhttps://www.bbc.com/news/60470089
Absent any plausible reason for him to do so, I find wild speculation of this sort just that.
'Car bombing' in Donetsk
Russian state media also reported a "powerful explosion" in the centre of the city of Donetsk, near the separatist government headquarters.
Pro-Russian separatists alleged it was a car bombing and Denis Sinenkov, chief of the Donetsk separatist police, claimed the vehicle belonged to him. Russian media reported that nobody was hurt in the incident.
But questions have been raised about whether the attack was staged.
That was earlier this year, in February. Given Russia's recent history where they concocted a fake assassination plot, is this still "wild speculation" since they also were suspected of fabricating a car-bombing?
24 Aug 22
@vivify saidYou probably think Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by the Nazis.
https://www.bbc.com/news/60470089
[quote]'Car bombing' in Donetsk
Russian state media also reported a "powerful explosion" in the centre of the city of Donetsk, near the separatist government headquarters.
Pro-Russian separatists alleged it was a car bombing and Denis Sinenkov, chief of the Donetsk separatist police, claimed the vehicle belonged to him. Russian ...[text shortened]... plot, is this still "wild speculation" since they also were suspected of fabricating a car-bombing?
Why is it soooooooooooooooooo implausible that Ukrainian partisans might try to assassinate officials who were working with the occupation forces? Here's a recent attempt that seems to have been verified by a named Ukrainian source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-mariupol-mayor-assassination-zoo-b2149237.html
"Shortly afterwards, Petro Andryushchenko, an aide to the city’s Ukrainian mayor Vadym Boychenko, also wrote of the attack on the messaging service, adding: “Unfortunately, it was not very successful. But this is only a beginning.”
25 Aug 22
@vivify saidWhy would Putin try to kill Putin's brain?
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This video from NBC's official YouTube channel details the car-bombing that killed the daughter of a pro-invasion Putin ally, who died in the blast.
One detail in particular: they were travelling together and at some point, for some reason switched cars. The bomb was detonated after the fact.
That's a little too convenient, isn't i ...[text shortened]... and switch? Why, after driving a few miles, did the bomb detonate *after* the switch?
Thoughts?
25 Aug 22
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@no1marauder saidThe circumstances behind this specific attack makes it doubtful. Again: wait why until *after* the more important connection to Putin gets out of the car to detonate the bomb and kill the daughter instead? That's not logical if you're a Ukrainian trying to assassinate proponents of the invasion.
Why is it soooooooooooooooooo implausible that Ukrainian partisans might try to assassinate officials who were working with the occupation forces?
25 Aug 22
@Metal-Brain
So for you, THEREFORE it WAS the Ukrainians who did it because there is NOBODY in my favorite communist country that hates my god Putin.
@no1marauder saidPutin has been accused of attacking his own people in a false flag operation; not "dissidents" just fellow Russian citizens::
No, he has not been known to assassinate loyal supporters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/18/ukraine-putin-false-flag/
When Putin first became Prime Minister a series of bombings on apartment buildings was used to fuel propaganda against Chechnya as an excuse for war. Evidence later turned up pointing the Russian government as behind the bombings, committed by the FSB, the successor to the KGB; the same KGB Putin was a part of.
Let's review:
1) Russia had two fabricated assignation claims just a few months ago
2) One of those fabricated claims was an alleged car-bombing
3) Putin is not only a well-known murderer but was accused of killing scores of his own people just to fuel propaganda
4) The bombing itself was suspicious; the bomb could've easily been detonated to kill Putin's ally Dugin...but for some reason only detonated after he, for some odd reason, switched cars with his daughter, killing the less important figure instead of him.
5) Just like the other fabricated "assassinations" from this year, Putin used this as propaganda against the Ukrainian government
There's too much "coincidence" here to justify sweeping the likely connections of a known murderous dictator to the same type of bombing he tried to fabricate just a few months ago.
25 Aug 22
@no1marauder said"Occupation forces"? This is a goddamn invasion. That's pretty low of you to try to sanitize Russia's warmongering.
Why is it soooooooooooooooooo implausible that Ukrainian partisans might try to assassinate officials who were working with the occupation forces?
25 Aug 22
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@vivify saidIt's proper terminology, nitwit, as you would know if you had any passing knowledge of the Hague Convention of 1907 or the Geneva Convention of 1949. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation
"Occupation forces"? This is a goddamn invasion. That's pretty low of you to try to sanitize Russia's warmongering.
25 Aug 22
@vivify saidThis is just tinfoil hat BS.
Putin has been accused of attacking his own people in a false flag operation; not "dissidents" just fellow Russian citizens::
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/18/ukraine-putin-false-flag/
When Putin first became Prime Minister a series of bombings on apartment buildings was used to fuel propaganda against Chechnya as an excuse for war. Evidence later turned ...[text shortened]... a known murderous dictator to the same type of bombing he tried to fabricate just a few months ago.
All of these "points" have been dealt with, your "hold your breath and turn blue" type of argumentation notwithstanding. In particular, there is almost nothing to support your particularly wild claim that the assassins deliberately waited until they were sure the supposed target wasn't in the vehicle that had the explosive attached to it. You must be watching reruns of Dr. Evil movies.
25 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidThe reasons are quite obvious, his rhetoric of conducting a wider war in Ukraine may well be a thorn in the side of a regime that recognises that the complete annexation of Ukraine is not doable. The idea that this guy was sitting along side Putin or pulling his strings is laughable, they have had no real contact in recent years, he was a useful idiot when Putin wanted a rabble rouser to support his expansionist policies but he may have passed his ‘use by date’.
Yes, he's been known to assassinate dissidents.
No, he has not been known to assassinate loyal supporters.
Absent any plausible reason for him to do so, I find wild speculation of this sort just that.
25 Aug 22
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@no1marauder saidFrom your link:
It's proper terminology, nitwit, as you would know if you had any passing knowledge of the Hague Convention of 1907 or the Geneva Convention of 1949. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation
"Occupation is distinguished from annexation and colonialism by its intended temporary duration".
You fukking nitwit.