23 Aug 22
@vivify saidOf course it serves Russian propaganda to blame it on the Ukraine rather than an internal anti-Putin movement.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-blames-ukraine-in-killing-of-putin-allys-daughter-11661185203
Russia Blames Ukraine in Car Bomb Killing of Daria Dugina
Not even Russia believes your never-before-heard-of group is responsible. Just as I predicted, Russia is blaming Ukraine for this this.
23 Aug 22
@vivify saidWhy would the anti-Putin dissident, the only member of the Russian Parliament to vote against the Crimean annexation, play along?
Seems like you nailed it.
23 Aug 22
@kmax87 saidThat all seems highly unlikely. Both father and daughter have publicly remained ultra nationalists and strong supporters of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
This is the nature of tragedy though. Assuming a timed device and the daughter not being asked to switch cars, he was toast. Maybe he and Putin had a falling out. Maybe due to some conversation or an aside, he was considered to be a liability. Maybe he was going soft on the whole Ukrainian war.
On the other hand maybe the daughter was the target, and the car switching, whi ...[text shortened]... ning from the original Putin agenda would be tolerated. The group claiming responsibility is a sham.
Now if I was MB, I might comment on the coincidence that the victim was blown to bits a few months after being placed on a sanctions list by the US and UK. But that would be a little too conspiracy theoryish for me.
23 Aug 22
@no1marauder said😉
That all seems highly unlikely. Both father and daughter have publicly remained ultra nationalists and strong supporters of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
Now if I was MB, I might comment on the coincidence that the victim was blown to bits a few months after being placed on a sanctions list by the US and UK. But that would be a little too conspiracy theoryish for me.
23 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidHaving watched far too many episodes of that excellent BBC MI5 series SPOOKS, the highly unlikely may not necessarily be the least probable. If the obvious conclusion is way too obvious, then what or who does the framing hide?
That all seems highly unlikely. Both father and daughter have publicly remained ultra nationalists and strong supporters of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
If a sanctions list is in play, would the Russians blame the West and in the process admit to another nation being able to infiltrate their border without being discovered? Blaming the Ukraine is by far the lesser of two evils and saves some face with the added anti Ukrainian propaganda as a bonus.
On the other hand given that thinking aloud in public is just not the done thing in Russia, for me the jury is out as to how unlikely Dugin may have presented a problem to Mr Putin.
23 Aug 22
@kmax87 saidThe most obvious suspect is the Ukrainian security services, which has been willing to assassinate pro-Russian officials in the occupied areas of their country. If there does exist a violent anti-Putin movement inside Russia, Ukrainian aid seems quite likely.
Having watched far too many episodes of that excellent BBC MI5 series SPOOKS, the highly unlikely may not necessarily be the least probable. If the obvious conclusion is way too obvious, then what or who does the framing hide?
If a sanctions list is in play, would the Russians blame the West and in the process admit to another nation being able to infiltrate their border w ...[text shortened]... in Russia, for me the jury is out as to how unlikely Dugin may have presented a problem to Mr Putin.
23 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidNever said he was playing along. He could just be falsely claiming credit to make his unknown group gain attention. His five minutes of fame may already be up since Russia is blaming Ukraine and some alleged suspect who fled to Estonia.
Why would the anti-Putin dissident, the only member of the Russian Parliament to vote against the Crimean annexation, play along?
23 Aug 22
@vivify saidNeedless to say, I take what either side says in a war with a grain of salt.
Never said he was playing along. He could just be falsely claiming credit to make his unknown group gain attention. His five minutes of fame may already be up since Russia is blaming Ukraine and some alleged suspect who fled to Estonia.
An anti-Putin group, possibly with Ukrainian and/or Western assistance, doing this assassination seems to make the most sense so far.
23 Aug 22
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@no1marauder saidIf more assassinations occur rather than this remaining an isolated incident then that may be. We'll see.
Needless to say, I take what either side says in a war with a grain of salt.
An anti-Putin group, possibly with Ukrainian and/or Western assistance, doing this assassination seems to make the most sense so far.
24 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidYeah and MB would have to explain why the other hundreds or thousands? of sanctioned Russians are still driving around in not blown up cars.
That all seems highly unlikely. Both father and daughter have publicly remained ultra nationalists and strong supporters of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
Now if I was MB, I might comment on the coincidence that the victim was blown to bits a few months after being placed on a sanctions list by the US and UK. But that would be a little too conspiracy theoryish for me.
Some commentators view her father as a one time useful idiot fir Putin who might be a lot less useful if Putin was trying to scale the publics expectations back regarding what victory in Ukraine looks like. The speed with which the authorities identified the culprit is also very suspicious.
24 Aug 22
Here is the woman accused of the car-bombing, who allegedly fled to Estonia:
https://www.gulftoday.ae/news/2022/08/22/meet-natalia-vovk-accused-of-assassinating-russian-journalist-daria-dugina-and-fleeing-to-estonia
If this anti-Putin group's goal was to make news for themselves they are failing miserably. More news is on this alleged woman than them.
24 Aug 22
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@vivify saidBig long list of Russia says this and Russia claims that. They are still denying any involvement in the attempted assassination of Skripol and his daughter in the uk using Novichok so I hope they have a lot more evidence than forged documents from the Donetsk republic, still denying the Navalny poisoning along with umpteen other assassinations
Here is the woman accused of the car-bombing, who allegedly fled to Estonia:
https://www.gulftoday.ae/news/2022/08/22/meet-natalia-vovk-accused-of-assassinating-russian-journalist-daria-dugina-and-fleeing-to-estonia
If this anti-Putin group's goal was to make news for themselves they are failing miserably. More news is on this alleged woman than them.
Don’t know if we’ll ever know what happened but without third party corroboration of Moscow’s version, my gut feeling is that they tried to kill two birds with one stone, namely the victims father and a good excuse to up the violence they are perpetrating on Ukraine and it’s civilians.
The idea that the Kyiv regime is not already on their target list is also a bit laughable.
24 Aug 22
@kingdavid403 said"I'll bet you that Jesus supported the flooding of the whole earth to kill almost everyone upon it"
There are rules in war.
Are the Russians sticking to the rules by bombing residential neighborhoods? Murdering prisoners of war? etc? There is a time for everything, and this is one of them. I've never seen any nation at war stick to any rules. I always find that hilarious when I hear that quote.
I doubt Jesus would have supported car bombings.
You ...[text shortened]... y mercy to some of these people (mostly the beautiful women and some of their prime livestock) etc.
Jesus's entire existence invalidates the idea of the flood from a theological point of view. It is easier to explain that the flood is a fabrication (we know it's a fabrication because science but let's ignore that ) than to say "God wanted to save the world through genocide at one point and then through sending his son to teach humans a better way a short while after"
"In fact, God ordered it; and cursed them when they showed any mercy to some of these people (mostly the beautiful women and some of their prime livestock) etc."
That was an evil act of an evil god.